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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    That was obviously the intent. The CEO didn't need you to swoop in to defend his speech. jamesrage wasn't threatening it.
    Well. Then let me make this perfectly clear to you: In this illustration, freedom of speech has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a guy can be fired if Obama wins. Clear?

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    I saw that and agree with what you said. I don't see you stating that firing someone is freedom of speech, as was claimed.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really? Link? What does execrable mean?
    Execrable means '****ty'. It's derived from 'exrement'.

    I don't have a link, because it was a flyer that they handed out at a campaign event I attended. It had a little man in a hard-hat on it who looked like Bob the Builder emphasizing that the EFCA didn't ban open shops, and that it wouldn't be used to create closed shops. I doubt that's strictly true, but the moral hyperventilating on the subject is incredibly annoying.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Execrable means '****ty'. It's derived from 'exrement'.

    I don't have a link, because it was a flyer that they handed out at a campaign event I attended. It had a little man in a hard-hat on it who looked like Bob the Builder emphasizing that the EFCA didn't ban open shops, and that it wouldn't be used to create closed shops. I doubt that's strictly true, but the moral hyperventilating on the subject is incredibly annoying.
    You're cute.

    You've never read me when I moral hyperventilate have you?

    The bolded part? From your lips to God's ear. Ha!
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The Tool can say whatever he wants to say. There is no breach of Liberty because all of our votes are secret ballots. At most, he'll minimize the number of Obama/Biden bumper stickers in the parking lots.

    I'd still fly mine, if only just to let him know that I personally plan to negate his vote at the Polls.

    He isn't threatening to fire anyone for voting for Pres. Obama though.

    He's simply acknowledging that if Pres. Obama raises taxes as planned he will have no choice but to fire employees. In other words: no duh.

    What did you think he was going to do? Operate at a loss and just pay these people out of his own pocket?

    I don't understand why this is even remotely controversial.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    He isn't threatening to fire anyone for voting for Pres. Obama though.

    He's simply acknowledging that if Pres. Obama raises taxes as planned he will have no choice but to fire employees. In other words: no duh.

    What did you think he was going to do? Operate at a loss and just pay these people out of his own pocket?

    I don't understand why this is even remotely controversial.
    The taxes will rise regardless of who wins the election. It's inevitable.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    An employer is not ethically at liberty to fire him 'at will' where the impetus is the employee's private life where it has no effect on the operations of the business. I'm aware of the 'at will' status of employment in most of the country. But this has its objective ethical limits, and these limits should be recognized legally.

    Coercion, be it State-sanctioned or privately enforced, is wrong.
    That just not so, legally at least. If you are employed "At Will" the employer can fire you for ANY reason. I noticed you hedged a bit and said "should", so you do recognise that is the case now.

    However, though it would piss me off as an employee, an employer's threat to take his toys and go home if Obama is re-elected (leaving me without a job), it's well within his/her rights to close up shop whenever and for virtually whatever reason they wish.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The taxes will rise regardless of who wins the election. It's inevitable.
    I don't know about inevitable. The real issue is where taxes rise though.

    President Obama and Democrats have built their message around the populist idea that wealthy business owners and executives need to be socked real good but the inevitable - and I stress inevitable - outcome will be a loss of jobs and that is all this guy said. He did not say he is firing employees who vote for the POTUS and saying otherwise is simply a lie.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I don't know about inevitable. The real issue is where taxes rise though.

    President Obama and Democrats have built their message around the populist idea that wealthy business owners and executives need to be socked real good but the inevitable - and I stress inevitable - outcome will be a loss of jobs and that is all this guy said. He did not say he is firing employees who vote for the POTUS and saying otherwise is simply a lie.
    this does not make sense
    employees are not hired or fired based on tax rate or taxes paid
    the taxes are paid on taxable income
    income generated by the employee
    the business which terminates employees because taxes/tax rates will be higher is not making an economically defensible decision
    that person is only terminating employees who were generating the revenues upon which tax was ultimately paid
    in short, it is a very stupid premise
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this does not make sense
    employees are not hired or fired based on tax rate or taxes paid
    the taxes are paid on taxable income
    income generated by the employee
    the business which terminates employees because taxes/tax rates will be higher is not making an economically defensible decision
    that person is only terminating employees who were generating the revenues upon which tax was ultimately paid
    in short, it is a very stupid premise
    You can give the same "you didn't build it" speech all you want but in the real world people are going to lose their jobs if Pres. Obama implements his taxes, regulations, etc.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    You can give the same "you didn't build it" speech all you want but in the real world people are going to lose their jobs if Pres. Obama implements his taxes, regulations, etc.
    like i said, that is a stupid premise, to believe tax rates/tax expenditures impact hiring
    the good news is that without employees the employer will not have to pay income taxes
    the bad news is that without employees the employer will generate no income
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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