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Thread: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I wasn't, obviously, associating freedom of speech with firing anyone -- just that the employer had the right to say it. If you read some of my earlier posts, you'll see that I think the guy's a jackass for saying it, by the way.
    jamesrage was pretty clearly calling for him to be imprisoned if he actually made good on his threat, so you'll forgive me for assuming that the letter of your post was true to your intent.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I know.

    EDIT: If the aim is to create a closed shop, then it ought to be opposed. If there is no intent to create a closed shop, I hardly see a reason to oppose it.
    Well, for heaven's sake. If you know, why are you talking about closed shops? (Oh, I see, you edited it B4 I pulled your quote.) The intent is always to create a closed shop. So then, you would be opposed. Good.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    jamesrage was pretty clearly calling for him to be imprisoned if he actually made good on his threat, so you'll forgive me for assuming that the letter of your post was true to your intent.
    I beg your pardon. His quote I responded to did not state "if he made good on his threat." Freedom of speech would have absolutely nothing to do with that.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, for heaven's sake. If you know, why are you talking about closed shops? (Oh, I see, you edited it B4 I pulled your quote.) The intent is always to create a closed shop. So then, you would be opposed. Good.
    Nonsense. The campaign here in Illinois took great pains to emphasize that there would continue to be open shops (and did it in the most execrable way possible).
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The legislation (that failed, by the way, but will probably be brought up again if Obama wins; and still won't pass) applies to forming unions within a company. The union wants to know who's voting against forming a union so they can be pressured by their peers into changing their vote next time. Card Check is its name.
    This is why instead of having unions with collective bargaining or right-to-work legislation that allows for exploitation, the US should instead push for guilds that provide workers in an industry the contract minimums those workers should demand when looking for a job.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    This is why instead of having unions with collective bargaining or right-to-work legislation that allows for exploitation, the US should instead push for guilds that provide workers in an industry the contract minimums those workers should demand when looking for a job.
    I like that a lot.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I beg your pardon. His quote I responded to did not state "if he made good on his threat." Freedom of speech would have absolutely nothing to do with that.
    That was obviously the intent. The CEO didn't need you to swoop in to defend his speech. jamesrage wasn't threatening it.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Nonsense. The campaign here in Illinois took great pains to emphasize that there would continue to be open shops (and did it in the most execrable way possible).
    Really? Link? What does execrable mean?
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post


    Yet I guess libertarians will thing this is absolutely ok ... which goes to show, they don't care about liberty, they are all for private plutocratic tyrannies.
    LOL..... You make a "guess" of what a libertarian would say....

    Then claim that your "guessed" conclusion SHOWS that Libertarians don't care about liberty and are all for private plutocratic tyranny.

    You don't get to make up your own GUESS about how others would feel and then claim that it shows (as if by some kind of proof) one of your prejudiced opinions about them.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Let me help. Here's where he's coming from:



    I wasn't, obviously, associating freedom of speech with firing anyone -- just that the employer had the right to say it. If you read some of my earlier posts, you'll see that I think the guy's a jackass for saying it, by the way.
    I saw that and agree with what you said. I don't see you stating that firing someone is freedom of speech, as was claimed.
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