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    Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Really, subsidized contraception is the most basic and benign form of eugenics. It should be a no-brainer for anyone who gives a damn about the genetic stock of the nation.
    I was going to say something similar. This is partially about soft eugenics and being rid undesirables, isn't it? The foul fruits of the unconscionable selfishness of materialism.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Hell of a lot cheaper than WIC.
    Maybe if we stop paying for WIC, etc. they'll start making better decisions.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Babies do not create cycles of poverty. Babies are born in to cultures that encourage dependence and lack a work ethic. Babies are the result, not the cause of, poverty.
    Babies born to poor mothers certainly do. The cycle would be a lot easier to get out of if that baby weren't there. The simple, irrefutable fact that babies cost money and time is not "encouraging dependence and lack of work ethic." It's the reality of children.

    As birth control paid for by government or insurance companies, nothing.
    I gave you reasons why you're wrong, and you did nothing but repeat the same baseless statement.

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    Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Should medical treatment for the following conditions be covered?

    -Ovarian cysts
    -Acne
    -Endometriosis
    -Irregular menstrual cycles
    -Anemia

    FYI: The best and in some cases the only treatment for these ailments are birth control pills. It doesn't even mean the patient is sexually active. Sexually abstainate Roman Catholic nuns might be prescribed birth control pills to treat these conditions. I'm aware of one teenage young lady who had insurance through her mom's job at a Catholic hospital that refused to cover birth control pills. She absolutely did not need birth control pills for pregnancy prevention but she did need them for cystic ovaries. The condition got so bad she eventually needed surgery.

    Aspirin not only treats headaches, it also is used as a heart health therapy at Drs. direction. Benadryl not only treat hay fever, its also used as an emergency bee hive attack antidote and as sleeping pills. Many medications have numerous possible uses. IMHO its unfortunate to get hung up on the terminology of "birth control pills".
    You're trying to muddy the waters. These pills can be used for the legitimate treatment of disease. For those purposes they of course ought to be covered. But I repeat...pregnancy is not a disease that requires treatment or prevention, and thus the cost of pills that prevent pregnancy are elective and ought not be covered.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Using contraception is not "bad behavior," and the mind-blowing degree of ignorance it requires for someone to think that is just so beyond me I can't even comprehend it. Using contraception is good, responsible behavior.
    Voluntarily doing something that you can't afford is always bad behavior.

    The fact that there is a fair likelihood a human life can result of your voluntarily bad behavior, one which you clearly can't afford to take care of, only increases how bad of a decision it actually is.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    It's not my place to judge anyone for taking contraceptives, but I don't see why I should be obligated to pay for someone else's birth control out of my pocket.

    Buy your own.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    Let me start off by saying that I'm no fan of taxpayer supported services. However - we already pay for public assistance in many forms. Welfare, WIC, Medicaid, etc... what is the difference between using taxpayer dollars to support paying for birth control for those who need it, yet can not afford it?

    My argument for supporting such a thing, is saving taxpayer dollars in the long run. We would no longer be supporting unemployed women/men with children that are using many different public assistance programs. Meaning, it would be cheaper preventing unwanted pregnancies and less of a drain on taxpayer money, the less people that broken system has to support to begin with.

    I'm all about personal responsibility for women AND men. However, unless and until we fix the social programs that taxpayers are already shelling out millions of dollars for - I would think it would be beneficial overall to support prevention of unwanted pregnancies.

    Although, it would still be up to the person(s) receiving 'free' birth control to actually USE it. That is a different topic entirely.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well ****, let's just fast forward it then. May as well collect semen/eggs from each person once they're to the age they can produce such...store them...and then have them do a mandatory vesectamy / Tubal ligation.

    That would save us even MORE money in the long run and even LESS single mothers on Welfare and even LESS demand for other public services because it would no longer be relying on people to make the choice to use birth control (which, even with it free in a multitude of places today, many still choose not to do).

    After all, enhanced government control into the private sector and public lives is okay in the name of less single mothers on welfare...so why stop with an ineffective measure like free birth control?
    Maybe we should also provide mandatory Pokemon games to keep the kids too busy for sex?

    My point is that nothing you brought up has anything to do with what I suggested in my original post.

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    Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I gave you reasons why you're wrong, and you did nothing but repeat the same baseless statement.
    You did no such thing. And I haven't repeated myself but once in this thread.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Babies born to poor mothers certainly do. The cycle would be a lot easier to get out of if that baby weren't there. The simple, irrefutable fact that babies cost money and time is not "encouraging dependence and lack of work ethic." It's the reality of children.
    Are you under the impression storks bring babies?

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