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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's not it at all. Not everyone wants to be a parent. Some just don't want to be parents NOW. All we are suggesting is that it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to undertake the necessary preventative measures to ensure that you don't become a parent, not OUR RESPONSIBILITY to do so for you. If you can't, won't, or don't do so, then you need to deal with the consequences of that decision as well.
    But people have no problem paying for prenatal care. Or all variety of other medical needs that result from personal choices. They only have a problem if a woman is trying not to get pregnant. If she decides to get pregnant, well, then, that's all hunky-dorey.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    But people have no problem paying for prenatal care. Or all variety of other medical needs that result from personal choices. They only have a problem if a woman is trying not to get pregnant. If she decides to get pregnant, well, then, that's all hunky-dorey.
    Yes - what's wrong with everyone who has this problem?

    The pregnancy should be avoided if the couple or she is unable to support a child . . . duh.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - what's wrong with everyone who has this problem?

    The pregnancy should be avoided if the couple or she is unable to support a child . . . duh.
    There is still a large contingency of American society that views sexually active women who don't wish to reproduce as whores who are trying to shirk their responsibilities. We still have this implicit, deeply rooted Puritanical sexism about it, despite the fact that almost everyone woman in America uses birth control at some point. When it's us or women we know, it's different. When it's some theoretical woman, they're just sluts looking for other people to pay for their "bad behavior."

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    But people have no problem paying for prenatal care. Or all variety of other medical needs that result from personal choices. They only have a problem if a woman is trying not to get pregnant. If she decides to get pregnant, well, then, that's all hunky-dorey.
    No. A lot of us have an issue with the Government paying for ANY private healthcare that is not directly related to the care of US Military Personnel and their immediate families.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    But people have no problem paying for prenatal care. Or all variety of other medical needs that result from personal choices. They only have a problem if a woman is trying not to get pregnant. If she decides to get pregnant, well, then, that's all hunky-dorey.
    I think you're the third person to bring up this point, but it completely contradicts what most people have said in this very thread when they've decided to branch out beyond the OP topic.

    I would also point out, because I know you've brought it up in other posts (as have others):

    For me...I have no problem with birth control being included in the discounted services/free services category for poverty-stricken women. I have a serious problem with any form of medical treatment being offered "for free" to those who are not poverty-stricken. Every single post I see in support of "free" birth control (including your own) has been based on the idea that it's cheaper to cover their BC than it is to cover their pregnancy/resulting child. Yes, for poverty stricken women that is true. For 80%+ of the population, it isn't, because 80%+ of the population pay for their own ****.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think you're the third person to bring up this point, but it completely contradicts what most people have said in this very thread when they've decided to branch out beyond the OP topic.

    I would also point out, because I know you've brought it up in other posts (as have others):

    For me...I have no problem with birth control being included in the discounted services/free services category for poverty-stricken women. I have a serious problem with any form of medical treatment being offered "for free" to those who are not poverty-stricken. Every single post I see in support of "free" birth control (including your own) has been based on the idea that it's cheaper to cover their BC than it is to cover their pregnancy/resulting child. Yes, for poverty stricken women that is true. For 80%+ of the population, it isn't, because 80%+ of the population pay for their own ****.
    Well, yeah. But I don't think anyone proposed to make birth control a program of its own, separate from the qualifications of the rest of need-based medical coverage. My OP said that women who quality for medical assistance should get it, or if we were to move to a single-payer system it should be included.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I say yes.

    It will save us money in the long run. Less single mothers on welfare, less demand for other public services, etc.

    There just needs to be cost control so the government isn't overpaying for the birth control.
    Well ****, let's just fast forward it then. May as well collect semen/eggs from each person once they're to the age they can produce such...store them...and then have them do a mandatory vesectamy / Tubal ligation.

    That would save us even MORE money in the long run and even LESS single mothers on Welfare and even LESS demand for other public services because it would no longer be relying on people to make the choice to use birth control (which, even with it free in a multitude of places today, many still choose not to do).

    After all, enhanced government control into the private sector and public lives is okay in the name of less single mothers on welfare...so why stop with an ineffective measure like free birth control?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    But people have no problem paying for prenatal care. Or all variety of other medical needs that result from personal choices. They only have a problem if a woman is trying not to get pregnant. If she decides to get pregnant, well, then, that's all hunky-dorey.
    I have no issue with an insurance company choosing to provide coverage for birth control.

    I also have no issue with an insurance company choosing not to have converage for pregnancy.

    I also have no issue with an insurance company covering cosmetic type effects....or disqualifying you from coverage regarding lung cancer if you're a smoker...or other such things.

    Of course, the reality is that if it's a big enough deal that it's a none starter with many of the insurance companies customers then they'll likely include coverage for it. As such, pregnancy coverage is likely not to go away. As such, most insurance providers are going to cover things like the pill.

    It's not whether or not insurance CAN have a certain type of coverage...it's about whether or not this singular, SPECIFIC, type of coverage should be something the federal government has the power to mandate private entities provide.

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    Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It sure as hell is from a social perspective. Unwanted pregnancy is a social disease that creates cycles of poverty, unhappiness, sickness, and social burden, and it should most definitely be prevented and treated. It ruins lives and burdens the system.
    Babies do not create cycles of poverty. Babies are born in to cultures that encourage dependence and lack a work ethic. Babies are the result, not the cause of, poverty.

    What makes condoms justifiable and other birth control not?
    As birth control paid for by government or insurance companies, nothing.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's a condition - and if you've ever been pregnant in less than ideal circumstances you're treated like you've committed a horrible crime. . . so perhaps it's a crime against humanity.
    I agree, every human deserves dignity and pregnant women and their unborn children ought to be cared for and protected. If people wanted to spend public money on guarateeing safe housing and prenatal care for women in crisis, I would whole heartedly support it.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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