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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    So it is fair to make hundreds of thousands of children suffer because their parents made a bad (or multiple) decisions? The children are the real people who pay the price, and it is not fair, they had no say in the matter, they did not force their mother to do anything yet they will be the ones that are most effected.
    No, we just stop these worthless "parents" from having the kids before they have them. They get one shot. If they screw it up so horribly that they prove to society they are not fit to breed, we take the kid, put them with a family that can raise them properly, then we permanently sterilize the "parents" to stop them from ever loosing their faulty genes on society again. We should not, as a society, have to pay for people who are so utterly irresponsible that they kick out a unit every 9 months so they get more welfare money.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Over 60 percent of the women who have an abortion are mothers with at least one child.

    I think it would heart wrenching for a mother to see her born child /children going hungry because she did not have enough money to feed her child/children.
    I can understand if she found out she was expecting again why she might choose an abortion since she could not bear to think about another mouth feed as another child would be taking away even more food from the child/children she already has.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we just stop these worthless "parents" from having the kids before they have them. They get one shot. If they screw it up so horribly that they prove to society they are not fit to breed, we take the kid, put them with a family that can raise them properly, then we permanently sterilize the "parents" to stop them from ever loosing their faulty genes on society again. We should not, as a society, have to pay for people who are so utterly irresponsible that they kick out a unit every 9 months so they get more welfare money.
    That is absolutely barbaric. How can any reasonable person believe that the government has the right to make that big of a choice for a person. It is not your choice it is not Washington's choice, it is the choice of the woman. Such an idea is overly invasive and extremely primitive, not everything revolves around you. Now, i do belief that welfare needs to be reformed, but nothing as drastic and unthinkably unconstitutional as this.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    That is absolutely barbaric. How can any reasonable person believe that the government has the right to make that big of a choice for a person. It is not your choice it is not Washington's choice, it is the choice of the woman. Such an idea is overly invasive and extremely primitive, not everything revolves around you. Now, i do belief that welfare needs to be reformed, but nothing as drastic and unthinkably unconstitutional as this.
    The government is the legislative arm of society, it is put in place by the people and given the ability to enforce social dictates. Anyone who is unable or unwilling to care for their offspring has no business having any. Enough with your absurd emotional whining, this is about responsibility and the utter lack of any by many welfare recipients.

    Spitting out a unit every 9 months is not some imaginary-friend-in-the-sky-given right.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The government is the legislative arm of society, it is put in place by the people and given the ability to enforce social dictates. Anyone who is unable or unwilling to care for their offspring has no business having any. Enough with your absurd emotional whining, this is about responsibility and the utter lack of any by many welfare recipients.

    Spitting out a unit every 9 months is not some imaginary-friend-in-the-sky-given right.
    So it is the government's right to go against the wishes of women and terminate their ability to give birth? I am being 100% honest when I say this, this sounds like a punishment that the Taliban would use for women who were unruly, or gave birth to a child that was of no need to the cause. The idea of having a baby goes both ways, would you also be in support of "cleansing" any male who fathered a baby then left the mother and child out to dry. There are males who go around and continue to shoot out offspring then bounce to the next female they can take advantage of.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    So it is the government's right to go against the wishes of women and terminate their ability to give birth? I am being 100% honest when I say this, this sounds like a punishment that the Taliban would use for women who were unruly, or gave birth to a child that was of no need to the cause. The idea of having a baby goes both ways, would you also be in support of "cleansing" any male who fathered a baby then left the mother and child out to dry. There are males who go around and continue to shoot out offspring then bounce to the next female they can take advantage of.
    I already said to fix both parents, didn't I? And yes, if the mother cannot afford to care for the offspring, she has no business having it, or producing more, until she can demonstrate some manner of responsibility for it. Don't want it to be permanent? Fine. Temporary is fine with me too, until these people are working, making a living and able to care for their children.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    So it is fair to make hundreds of thousands of children suffer because their parents made a bad (or multiple) decisions? The children are the real people who pay the price, and it is not fair, they had no say in the matter, they did not force their mother to do anything yet they will be the ones that are most effected.
    You know life isn't fair. When you're a kid and your parents make a bad decision it could very well cause you troubles going forward.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we just stop these worthless "parents" from having the kids before they have them. They get one shot. If they screw it up so horribly that they prove to society they are not fit to breed, we take the kid, put them with a family that can raise them properly, then we permanently sterilize the "parents" to stop them from ever loosing their faulty genes on society again. We should not, as a society, have to pay for people who are so utterly irresponsible that they kick out a unit every 9 months so they get more welfare money.

    You seem to forget our CPS is already overburdened and cannot find enough good homes for the children already in system.

    Free contraceptives to prevent couples not ready to become parents or unfit for parenthood from being parents will cost far less plus it is the much more humane approach.



    Give them free birth control.
    Last edited by minnie616; 11-01-12 at 09:28 AM.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we just stop these worthless "parents" from having the kids before they have them. ...
    I repeat:

    Lets stop them before they have kids.

    FRee Birth control will help stop unwanted pregnancies and/or unwanted children.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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