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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If someone is taking from one, to give to another, it is theft by its very nature.
    WE are talking about taxes NOT theft.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I have no problem with requiring something of those that get help from the government. I've posted before that they should be required to do some sort of community service. At least the ones that can anyways. IE if you're healthy, you do community service.

    What I am against is getting rid of welfare entirely.
    I agree with you here. I myself benefit from a form of welfare, but I'm going to school full time and meet certain requirements to receive it. I'm doing something that will better my life and ultimately I will be giving back in the end. What I'm against is people benefiting from welfare that aren't really trying that hard.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There's an old saying..."You can't judge a book by its cover". I know people think that they can. But you honestly can't.
    We're not judging books by their covers, we're judging them by viewing segments of their storylines. There are many scenarios we see everyday where someone is receiving welfare or donations and, at the same time, they are wasting money on things that aren't a necessity. Sorry, but I think those on welfare should have to agree to financial disclosure to watch their spending like a hawk.

    There is actually an underlying mathematical argument for my point of view. Since dollar bills are considered indistinguishable in the market, the following are equivalent:
    1. You waste your $200 on something (e.g. alcohol) and I give you $200 to buy groceries.
    2. You buy $200 worth of groceries with your money and I give you $200 to waste.
    Would you support the latter? Well, I'll bet you in over 90% of welfare recipients, I can find expenses to cut or habits they could be performing to survive on their own. I had to clip coupons and shop only off the clearance rack to make my way up to upper-middle class. I still shop strictly off clearance racks for clothes, but now it's at places like Nordstrom or even Gucci for my wife. If you know how to invert fractions then you should be able to figure out that buying things 75% off will quadruple what you can afford to get for your money.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    We're not judging books by their covers, we're judging them by viewing segments of their storylines. There are many scenarios we see everyday where someone is receiving welfare or donations and, at the same time, they are wasting money on things that aren't a necessity. Sorry, but I think those on welfare should have to agree to financial disclosure to watch their spending like a hawk.

    There is actually an underlying mathematical argument for my point of view. Since dollar bills are considered indistinguishable in the market, the following are equivalent:
    1. You waste your $200 on something (e.g. alcohol) and I give you $200 to buy groceries.
    2. You buy $200 worth of groceries with your money and I give you $200 to waste.
    Would you support the latter? Well, I'll bet you in over 90% of welfare recipients, I can find expenses to cut or habits they could be performing to survive on their own. I had to clip coupons and shop only off the clearance rack to make my way up to upper-middle class. I still shop strictly off clearance racks for clothes, but now it's at places like Nordstrom or even Gucci for my wife. If you know how to invert fractions then you should be able to figure out that buying things 75% off will quadruple what you can afford to get for your money.

    I am all for cutting waste meanwhile According to this article nearly one in five Americans (who live in 15 states in the USA) has gone hungry this last year because they do not have enough money for food.
    Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 01:55 PM PDT.

    Going hungry: Nearly one in five Americans has been short of money for food in the past year

    Nearly one in five Americans has not had enough money to buy the food they needed in the past year, a Gallup poll finds. But there are wide disparities from state to state and regionally. In North Dakota, just 9.6 percent of people have lacked enough money for food.


    But if you live in Mississippi, there's a 24.9 percent chance that sometime in the past year you haven't been able to buy the food you and your family need. If you live in Alabama, it's a 22.9 percent chance. In all, there are 15 states in which at least one in five people can't always afford enough food.


    Many of these people are working.

    Like the New Hampshire home care worker who walks as much as an hour from appointment to appointment every day, struggling with an inconsistent paycheck and
    a recent loss of food stamps:
    Daily Kos: Going hungry: Nearly one in five Americans has been short of money for food in the past year
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    WE are talking about taxes NOT theft.
    A distinction without a difference.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    WE are talking about taxes NOT theft.
    If a stranger walked into your home, and insisted that you should give him a portion of your money, and threatens to do you harm if you resist. That is theft. What is the difference if the government does the same thing, to give another person the money you have worked for? There is no difference in the action, just in the perp.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If a stranger walked into your home, and insisted that you should give him a portion of your money, and threatens to do you harm if you resist. That is theft. What is the difference if the government does the same thing, to give another person the money you have worked for? There is no difference in the action, just in the perp.
    The government does NOT do same thing because you have a say (a vote) in who you want to represent you and your taxes.

    You vote your elected representives in.

    If you do NOT like what the government does with taxes then either write your congressperson or support a canidate that has views simular to your own.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    We're not judging books by their covers, we're judging them by viewing segments of their storylines. There are many scenarios we see everyday where someone is receiving welfare or donations and, at the same time, they are wasting money on things that aren't a necessity. Sorry, but I think those on welfare should have to agree to financial disclosure to watch their spending like a hawk.

    There is actually an underlying mathematical argument for my point of view. Since dollar bills are considered indistinguishable in the market, the following are equivalent:
    1. You waste your $200 on something (e.g. alcohol) and I give you $200 to buy groceries.
    2. You buy $200 worth of groceries with your money and I give you $200 to waste.
    Would you support the latter? Well, I'll bet you in over 90% of welfare recipients, I can find expenses to cut or habits they could be performing to survive on their own. I had to clip coupons and shop only off the clearance rack to make my way up to upper-middle class. I still shop strictly off clearance racks for clothes, but now it's at places like Nordstrom or even Gucci for my wife. If you know how to invert fractions then you should be able to figure out that buying things 75% off will quadruple what you can afford to get for your money.
    And just who determine what is waste and what isn't? Granted things like alcohol IS wasteful. Obviously. But there are many things out there that one person would consider it a waste to buy and someone else would consider it necessary.

    Anyways the problem with going strictly by the math is that it does not take into account about the individiual. Person A may need more than Person B due to differing circumstances. And as an outside force you can't take every single possible circumstance into account.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The government does NOT do same thing because you have a say (a vote) in who you want to represent you and your taxes.

    You vote your elected representives in.

    If you do NOT like what the government does with taxes then either write your congressperson or support a canidate that has views simular to your own.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The government does NOT do same thing because you have a say (a vote) in who you want to represent you and your taxes.

    You vote your elected representives in.

    If you do NOT like what the government does with taxes then either write your congressperson or support a canidate that has views simular to your own.
    The problem with that concept is that with so many people on the receiving end of tax monies, a number which is growing daily, the likelihood of my candidate being able to win is virtually non-existent.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
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