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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh please, the other side uses the moral arguement all the time also. Indeed the very use of "deserving" implies morality just in itself. Not to mention the use of "No. Theft is wrong no matter how you want to justify it." when refering to taxes being used to help poor people being a morally based arguement. (lizzie just said those exact words)
    You are the one who brought morality into the discussion. Please justify theft on moral grounds- strictly moral grounds. Right and wrong are concepts used to describe things which are constant in meaning, and do not require specific circumstances to justify their own relative morality. Theft is considered wrong, is it not? What makes theft right, depending on the circumstances of he who steals?
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You are the one who brought morality into the discussion. Please justify theft on moral grounds- strictly moral grounds. Right and wrong are concepts used to describe things which are constant in meaning, and do not require specific circumstances to justify their own relative morality. Theft is considered wrong, is it not? What makes theft right, depending on the circumstances of he who steals?
    THere is a big diffence between theft and being helped .
    Helping your fellow man and or woman obtain their basic needs in bad times is NOT aiding a theif.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    THere is a big diffence between theft and being helped .
    Helping your fellow man and or woman obtain their basic needs in bad times is NOT aiding a theif.
    If someone is taking from one, to give to another, it is theft by its very nature.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If someone is taking from one, to give to another, it is theft by its very nature.
    I'll take that further. Taking from one against their will, regardless of intent of use, is theft by its very nature.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Helping the poor isn't a bad thing in itself, but with the regulation we have currently, the poor can take advantage of the system. Rather than do away with social programs all together, simply tighten the requirements to qualify. That way, the poor who are actually trying, working hard, don't get penalized and still get the support they need. The lazy poor on the other hand, get cut off. That will either force them to start giving a damn, or live with the consequences.

    Any way we look at it, people have to be held accountable and need to be responsible. Giving out more freebies does not reinforce that notion. In fact, it tells people they don't have to try so hard because someone will help them if they fail. People need to try their hardest not to fail for fear of the consequences, not be okay with it because of this all encompassing safety net.
    I have no problem with requiring something of those that get help from the government. I've posted before that they should be required to do some sort of community service. At least the ones that can anyways. IE if you're healthy, you do community service.

    What I am against is getting rid of welfare entirely.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not one of those people. If you want to debate those subjects with them, go for it. I just asked you a question, one that you entirely dodged.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You are the one who brought morality into the discussion. Please justify theft on moral grounds- strictly moral grounds. Right and wrong are concepts used to describe things which are constant in meaning, and do not require specific circumstances to justify their own relative morality. Theft is considered wrong, is it not? What makes theft right, depending on the circumstances of he who steals?
    What theft?
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I'll take that further. Taking from one against their will, regardless of intent of use, is theft by its very nature.
    I would normally agree. But we're not talking about theft. We're talking about taxes. Which is not theft. No matter how you try and twist it.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What have those in prison done to deserve what they get?
    They don't deserve it. Who said they did? I think they should have to work hard labor to get enough food to survive.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What have those in prison done to deserve what they get?
    Honestly, nothing. I think they ought to earn it. I think they ought to spend part of every single day getting an eduction and learning a marketable trade and part of every single day working. Some of the money they earn goes to pay for their upkeep, some of it should go into an interest-bearing account for when they get out.
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