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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Through out the entireity of human kinds existance has there ever ONCE been a time when there was no poor in any give society? Of course not. Know why? Because it is a physical impossibility. Particularly when capitalism is involved. By its very nature, especially when combined with the human nature of greed, there will always be those that are poor. Not every poor person is lazy or doesn't try to get out of being poor. But between Capitalism and human Greed they stand no chance.
    Everyone stands a chance. Those that choose not to do anything don't deserve federal help. There's plenty of work out there that people simply don't want to do because they feel it's beneath them. Pick up a newspaper and I'll bet you there's a bunch of ads in the classifieds section. Also, if people aren't skilled in anything, they can get a federal loan to go to school for 2 years and they'll be 100 times better off than they were before. People need to start taking care of themselves, not expecting other people to. The people that don't work and live off of welfare don't contribute anything back into society, they merely leech off of the contributions of others.

    I understand that there will always be poor, but the ideology that there is a safety net and it's okay if you fail at life does absolutely nothing but tell the struggling that they don't have to struggle, they can just take what other people have and do nothing.

    I suggest if not getting rid of certain social welfare programs, tighten down the circumstances to which one becomes eligible. Prove to the government that you're trying to better your life, and that doesn't mean working part time at McDonald's.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Everyone stands a chance. Those that choose not to do anything don't deserve federal help. There's plenty of work out there that people simply don't want to do because they feel it's beneath them. Pick up a newspaper and I'll bet you there's a bunch of ads in the classifieds section. Also, if people aren't skilled in anything, they can get a federal loan to go to school for 2 years and they'll be 100 times better off than they were before. People need to start taking care of themselves, not expecting other people to. The people that don't work and live off of welfare don't contribute anything back into society, they merely leech off of the contributions of others.

    I understand that there will always be poor, but the ideology that there is a safety net and it's okay if you fail at life does absolutely nothing but tell the struggling that they don't have to struggle, they can just take what other people have and do nothing.

    I suggest if not getting rid of certain social welfare programs, tighten down the circumstances to which one becomes eligible. Prove to the government that you're trying to better your life, and that doesn't mean working part time at McDonald's.
    Even if everyone who can work in any way possible had a job, there would still be poor people. And that will never change.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Even if everyone who can work in any way possible had a job, there would still be poor people. And that will never change.
    As I said, I understand that fact. Letting them know it's okay if they fail because someone else will pick up the tab is not going to help get people on their feet. It's going to give them the impression, "Oh, I don't have to work so hard because someone else will take care of me". This, America needs less of.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    As I said, I understand that fact. Letting them know it's okay if they fail because someone else will pick up the tab is not going to help get people on their feet. It's going to give them the impression, "Oh, I don't have to work so hard because someone else will take care of me". This, America needs less of.
    Letting them die of starvation or the cold or both isn't going to help them either.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Letting them die of starvation or the cold or both isn't going to help them either.
    What makes you think that they deserve help? I don't get where people think that just because these people breed uncontrollably, that it's now society's problem to take care of them when they're unwilling to take care of themselves.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Letting them die of starvation or the cold or both isn't going to help them either.
    You might find yourself amazed at what people can and will do, when it is necessary. One of the worst mistakes we make is in not letting people suffer the natural consequences of their bad decisions. Any woman who has an ounce of humanity and instinct will find a way to take care of her child.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What makes you think that they deserve help? I don't get where people think that just because these people breed uncontrollably, that it's now society's problem to take care of them when they're unwilling to take care of themselves.
    Deserving or not is beside the point. Do those in prison deserve to be housed and fed and educated? Why should those in prison get all those things and yet someone thats followed the law not get those things? And seriously, the whole concept that poor people are all lazy needs to go. I would bet that the majority of poor folks do indeed work hard. Unfortenately it is always the few that truely do not try that get all the attention.

    The point is that it is the right thing to do. It is the moral thing to do. It is the compassionate thing to do. There is more to life than money. IMO Those that think that we should stop helping those that are poor are just plain greedy and self centered.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You might find yourself amazed at what people can and will do, when it is necessary. One of the worst mistakes we make is in not letting people suffer the natural consequences of their bad decisions. Any woman who has an ounce of humanity and instinct will find a way to take care of her child.
    And anyone with an ounce of humanity wouldn't mind helping those in need. We'll never advance socially if we just stay greedy.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
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    The point is that it is the right thing to do. It is the moral thing to do. It is the compassionate thing to do. There is more to life than money. IMO Those that think that we should stop helping those that are poor are just plain greedy and self centered.
    Is it the right and moral thing to do, to take from those who make good decisions and are responsible, to give to those who do not. Imo, no. It's not right and moral to sacrifice the productive and hard-working, for those who are not. In fact, I consider that not only wrong, but stupid. Whatever you pay for grows, and what you neglect shrinks. We're seeing it happen in our country right now, to our eventual detriment.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And anyone with an ounce of humanity wouldn't mind helping those in need. We'll never advance socially if we just stay greedy.
    I am anything but greedy, but I am choosy with regard to whom I help. I will not help someone who refuses to help himself, as it doesn't really help him at all. I will gladly help someone who is giving it all they can to make it in life.
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