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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    No.

    Your reproductive health is your responsibility. Our approach is woefully broken when we assume that the best solution is to just give **** to people who can't be responsible on their own.

    I can understand a discount program funded via low-income welfare initiatives, but for women like me who work full time, have health insurance, and can easily afford the $15-30 a month for birth control there's absolutely no reason it should be "free". If I were diabetic my insulin damn sure wouldn't be free, and that's a medication I would need to stay alive. Birth control is not imperative to my survival, so why should I get it at no cost simply because somebody somewhere seems to think they only way women can POSSIBLY be responsible about their reproductive health is if all the tools to do so are just handed over to them at not cost?
    Why is reproductive health an individual responsibility - but nothing else is?

    Surgeries, dental care, neuropsych, psych meds, physical and psych therapy, even some types of cessation care, pain relief, antibacterial efforts, hospital stays and emergency room visits (even the stupid ones from someone being a total idiot like when my husband was 17 and he fell off the cab of a moving truck), broken bones . . .etc.

    But having a child or not having a child - the most extreme life altering path that could ever be taken because it's creating a new life that's entirely dependent on the parents for countless years . . . that is nothing but a personal 'problem'

    And why just reproductive care being an individual responsibility - we cover all things related to pregnancy itself. Even DNC if the mother miscarries. Prenatal vitamins, pap smears, sonograms, urine testing, glucose screening, diabetes treatments, nutritional supplements, therapy for those who have odd cravings, Lamaze is even covered by some insurance companies.

    You're dumbing it down to being like diapers and formula (which some are covered if it's of a special-nature)
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think if we're going to attempt something like that it has to be a load broader, a la Germany. Not just, "I will pay for this med, but not this one." In or out. And also, it only works if we get a well-functioning federal system going, which we don't have, and which I doubt Obamacare will fully provide.

    Our health care is a mess. An unholy, bloated, wasteful, over-priced mess. Right now, that's what makes this unworkable. It is so bloated, due to run-away insurance companies and endless litigation, that it takes all of us just to keep it on life support. I've been all over the world, and American health care is the worst of the worst. When we figure out how to make our medical costs and system somewhere within the realm of sanity, then we can talk about opting in and opting out. Right now, we need to fix it.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why is reproductive health an individual responsibility - but nothing else is?

    Surgeries, dental care, neuropsych, psych meds, physical and psych therapy, even some types of cessation care, pain relief, antibacterial efforts, hospital stays and emergency room visits (even the stupid ones from someone being a total idiot like when my husband was 17 and he fell off the cab of a moving truck), broken bones . . .etc.

    But having a child or not having a child - the most extreme life altering path that could ever be taken because it's creating a new life that's entirely dependent on the parents for countless years . . . that is nothing but a personal 'problem'
    You're trying to make me defend an argument I didn't make. This thread is not about the rest of the health care system; it is about birth control.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Your own methods of birth control are up to the individual's responsibility. I find it extremely unethical by the state to provide free birth control (which prevents pregnancy and is not necessary for life or managing a disease, and I'm talking about birth control for the purpose of pregnancy, not treating hormone issues so there is no excuse to use that strawman). It's just wrong to pay for someone's birth control and believe that it should be "free" while someone else has to pay for expensive heart medications or something else that they actually need to live a healthy life. Your sex life is yours alone, your contraception and sexual behavior is your own responsibility, not mine. Look a cancer patient in the eye and tell them that "my birth control should be free and you should have to pay for your chemo and follow up medications." It's completely unethical from a medical perspective.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why is reproductive health an individual responsibility - but nothing else is?

    Surgeries, dental care, neuropsych, psych meds, physical and psych therapy, even some types of cessation care, pain relief, antibacterial efforts, hospital stays and emergency room visits (even the stupid ones from someone being a total idiot like when my husband was 17 and he fell off the cab of a moving truck), broken bones . . .etc.

    But having a child or not having a child - the most extreme life altering path that could ever be taken because it's creating a new life that's entirely dependent on the parents for countless years . . . that is nothing but a personal 'problem'

    And why just reproductive care being an individual responsibility - we cover all things related to pregnancy itself. Even DNC if the mother miscarries. Prenatal vitamins, pap smears, sonograms, urine testing, glucose screening, diabetes treatments, nutritional supplements, therapy for those who have odd cravings, Lamaze is even covered by some insurance companies.

    You're dumbing it down to being like diapers and formula (which some are covered if it's of a special-nature)
    This is one of the things that makes Minnesota worth the unbearable weather and equally frigid people. If you qualify, not only does state medical assist with pre-natal care and all that stuff, but also your birth control, your abortion, or your tubal. No insurance when something happens? It works 3 months retroactively from the registration date.

    It just appalls me how much of the country acts like women who don't want to reproduce at this particular moment are some sort of morally bankrupt force of society and need to be shut out of the system until they come to their senses.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This is one of the things that makes Minnesota worth the unbearable weather
    It's not that bad for you guys, and we may even beat you in that regard.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Your own methods of birth control are up to the individual's responsibility. I find it extremely unethical by the state to provide free birth control (which prevents pregnancy and is not necessary for life or managing a disease, and I'm talking about birth control for the purpose of pregnancy, not treating hormone issues so there is no excuse to use that strawman). It's just wrong to pay for someone's birth control and believe that it should be "free" while someone else has to pay for expensive heart medications or something else that they actually need to live a healthy life. Your sex life is yours alone, your contraception and sexual behavior is your own responsibility, not mine. Look a cancer patient in the eye and tell them that "my birth control should be free and you should have to pay for your chemo and follow up medications." It's completely unethical from a medical perspective.
    The only application of 'tax funded' and 'free to the user' is if someone is on state 'welfare' (or what have you) - if someone is employed and has private insurance then they are paying for their own regardless of how much their copay is because they can afford it and are able to support their selves. That should be the goal. So, when on welfare, then it should go along with already provided care because then the state is just responsible for your pregnancy and everything else if it's not provided. We're not just talking about singles and hot to trotts - we're talking about support for married couples who might have been laid off of work and need support for a while and so forth. Not everyone is some dipsy blondie who needs to keep her legs closed and go back to school. For a lot of people welfare is temporary - a temporary support means while they're between jobs, etc.

    Not having birth control to countless people just means they'll be quicker to have another kid. And so instead of covering birth control you'd be covering their unplanned pregnancy and that child's care for the next 18 years. That just creates the situation we need to avoid; having a child while unemployed or in college.

    I think covering birth control is ideal.

    **** as hell is cheaper than prenatal care and child support. . . and will enable said individual to do things like get a good job and get the **** off the system. Having more kids, however, ensures you need to stay on the system.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It just appalls me how much of the country acts like women who don't want to reproduce at this particular moment are some sort of morally bankrupt force of society and need to be shut out of the system until they come to their senses.
    That's not it at all. Not everyone wants to be a parent. Some just don't want to be parents NOW. All we are suggesting is that it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to undertake the necessary preventative measures to ensure that you don't become a parent, not OUR RESPONSIBILITY to do so for you. If you can't, won't, or don't do so, then you need to deal with the consequences of that decision as well.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Should medical treatment for the following conditions be covered?

    -Ovarian cysts
    -Acne
    -Endometriosis
    -Irregular menstrual cycles
    -Anemia

    FYI: The best and in some cases the only treatment for these ailments are birth control pills. It doesn't even mean the patient is sexually active. Sexually abstainate Roman Catholic nuns might be prescribed birth control pills to treat these conditions. I'm aware of one teenage young lady who had insurance through her mom's job at a Catholic hospital that refused to cover birth control pills. She absolutely did not need birth control pills for pregnancy prevention but she did need them for cystic ovaries. The condition got so bad she eventually needed surgery.

    Aspirin not only treats headaches, it also is used as a heart health therapy at Drs. direction. Benadryl not only treat hay fever, its also used as an emergency bee hive attack antidote and as sleeping pills. Many medications have numerous possible uses. IMHO its unfortunate to get hung up on the terminology of "birth control pills".
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

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