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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    In the days, not all that long ago, when it never occurred to anybody that the government should make sure that men and women get free contraceptives, we had far fewer unwanted children, far fewer abortions, far fewer teenage pregnancies, far fewer children born into homes without a mom and dad living there. It was the rare child that regularly showed up at school with breakfast or lunch money, and social services quietly dealt with the few cases of child neglect. But in those days, the national psyche did not embrace a nanny state that encouraged people not to take responsibility for their own choices and actions.

    I suggest we regain that national psyche.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In the days, not all that long ago, when it never occurred to anybody that the government should make sure that men and women get free contraceptives, we had far fewer unwanted children, far fewer abortions, far fewer teenage pregnancies, ...

    There have always been unwanted children, abortions, teenage pregnancies, children born into homes without a mom and dad living there.
    One of the main reasons why we have more abortions, teen pregnancies etc. today then in the early days is because...

    [B]we have a higher population so numbers go up even if the rate had stayed the same.


    Except the rate of abortions has been steadily declining since 1981.


    Over Two Decades, Abortion Rate Dropped For Women In Their 20s Because Of Contraception Access | ThinkProgress

    In fact overall Abortion Rate Drops 8% In Eight Years, but it rose 18% Among Poor Women In USA

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/226354.php

    Also the rate of teenage pregnancies has fallen in recent years.


    Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There have always been unwanted children, abortions, teenage pregnancies, children born into homes without a mom and dad living there.
    One of the main reasons why we have more abortions, teen pregnancies etc. today then in the early days is because...

    [B]we have a higher population so numbers go up even if the rate had stayed the same.


    Except the rate of abortions has been steadily declining since 1981.


    Over Two Decades, Abortion Rate Dropped For Women In Their 20s Because Of Contraception Access | ThinkProgress

    In fact overall Abortion Rate Drops 8% In Eight Years, but it rose 18% Among Poor Women In USA

    Overall Abortion Rate Drops 8% In Eight Years, Rises 18% Among Poor Women In USA

    Also the rate of teenage pregnancies has fallen in recent years.


    Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine
    By the early 1990's, the nanny state mentality was complete and has been expanding ever since.

    The earlier time of which I speak is of a time not at all typical of the last 30 years.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    By the early 1990's, the nanny state mentality was complete and has been expanding ever since.

    The earlier time of which I speak is of a time not at all typical of the last 30 years.
    If you do NOT want a "nanny state" the best thing to do is to cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies and the most efficient way to accomplish that is to make sure the poor have access to reliable , easy to use, birth control.

    The earlier time you speak of had abortions, teen pregnancies, single parents etc.

    Abortion and infantcide were practiced way back in early Greek days.

    I mentioned the last 30 years because birth control has helped lower the number of unwanted pregnancies and is helping to reduce our dependance on "the nanny state".
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If you do NOT want a "nanny state" the best thing to do is to cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies and the most efficient way to accomplish that is to make sure the poor have access to reliable , easy to use, birth control.

    The earlier time you speak of had abortions, teen pregnancies, single parents etc.

    Abortion and infantcide were practiced way back in early Greek days.

    I mentioned the last 30 years because birth control has helped lower the number of unwanted pregnancies and is helping to reduce our dependance on "the nanny state".
    What I bolded is the very premise of the "nanny state" term. Giving free stuff away endorses the "nanny state" ideology, not diminish it. The premise is to get people reliant upon themselves, not upon the government. Do you think it's fair that I work a living and make decent money, only to have a portion of it taken and given to someone who does nothing? I certainly don't.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What I bolded is the very premise of the "nanny state" term. Giving free stuff away endorses the "nanny state" ideology, not diminish it. The premise is to get people reliant upon themselves, not upon the government. Do you think it's fair that I work a living and make decent money, only to have a portion of it taken and given to someone who does nothing? I certainly don't.

    Most of us work to make decent money and yes a portion of that income is taxed. I happen to be in one higher taxed brackets.
    If giving free birth control to the poor helps the USA to have less unwanted children than please use some my taxes for free birth control.
    I would rather there were less unwanted children in our country than more hungry unwanted, poor, children who will continue the cycle of poverty.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Most of us work to make decent money and yes a portion of that income is taxed. I happen to be in one higher taxed brackets.
    If giving free birth control to the poor helps the USA to have less unwanted children than please use some my taxes for free birth control.
    I would rather there were less unwanted children in our country than more hungry unwanted, poor, children who will continue the cycle of poverty.
    Sure, except the fact remains that it isn't the poor who are using the free contraception, they'll continue to breed uncontrollably because they're either too stupid to know better or are on the entitlement train and expect others to pay for them.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Most of us work to make decent money and yes a portion of that income is taxed. I happen to be in one higher taxed brackets.
    If giving free birth control to the poor helps the USA to have less unwanted children than please use some my taxes for free birth control.
    I would rather there were less unwanted children in our country than more hungry unwanted, poor, children who will continue the cycle of poverty.
    I'd almost rather they use my tax dollars for tube tying and vasectomies for those too incompetent to be responsible parents.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, except the fact remains that it isn't the poor who are using the free contraception, they'll continue to breed uncontrollably because they're either too stupid to know better or are on the entitlement train and expect others to pay for them.

    Except in the following project the poor did use the free contraceptives and unwanted pregnancies dropped dramatically.


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    The project tracked more than 9,000 women in St. Louis, many of them poor or uninsured.
    They were given their choice of a range of contraceptive methods at no cost — from birth control pills to goof-proof options like the IUD or a matchstick-sized implant.

    When price wasn't an issue, women flocked to the most effective contraceptives — the implanted options, which typically cost hundreds of dollars up-front to insert.
    These women experienced far fewer unintended pregnancies as a result,

    reported Dr. Jeffrey Peipert of Washington University in St. Louis in a study published Thursday.


    The effect on teen pregnancy was striking:
    There were 6.3 births per 1,000 teenagers in the study. Compare that to a national rate of 34 births per 1,000 teens in 2010.

    There also were substantially lower rates of abortion, when compared with women in the metro area and nationally:
    4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the study, compared with 13.4 to 17 abortions per 1,000 women overall in the St. Louis region,
    Peipert calculated. That's lower than the national rate, too, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women.
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    Study: Free birth control leads to way fewer abortions - CBS News
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