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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    First, post 343 was sarcastic as I'm known for my support of the destruction of ObamaCare and social security.

    Secondly, access to TriCare can only be earned through military or federal service. It's a reward for service, not an entitlement.

    I earned what I have. Maybe learn something about someone before making it personal.
    My comment was a general comment aimed at everyone, hell I had to look up Tricare to see what it was.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    My comment was a general comment aimed at everyone, hell I had to look up Tricare to see what it was.
    Nice attempt to cop-out but you quoted me and used "you", that's no where near a general comment, that's very direct.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    You're comment was sarcastic and so was mine.

    Did you take it seriously? Dental care?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Ya, well you go to hell for that too. If you're going to do the time, might as well do the better crime.

    Uhh, I think that's an argument for a different thread. This ones about giving those women contraceptives so the gubmint avoids writing that check.

    I was going to write a response to this comment but I kept spitting up on my chin.
    Well, a lot of folks think I deserve to go to hell for my opinions, but oh well.

    And no, that isn't a subject for a different thread. How many many on this thread are making the argument that it is cheaper to provide contraceptives to women than it is to support the kids they will otherwise have? Well, if they don't benefit from having those kids, don't you think they will be far less likely to risk having a child they can't or won't suppport? You've obviously never experienced nine months of pregnancy followed by childbirth. It is not something anybody would choose to do unless there was hope of reward of a baby at the end of the process.

    And all you have to do is look at the honest situation in the projects, ghettos, and poorer inner city neighborhoods to know what life is like for most of those kids. The mothers are too often drugged out and simply don't take care of their kids. They leave it up to the schools to give them breakfast and lunch and don't care what happens to them after school. Beating rape, assault, murder become a way of life. Handing out free contraceptives will not correct this situation. Making it unprofitable to have kids you can't or won't take care of will.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Id rather pay a buck or two for contraception than pay for an abortion or to raise an unwanted kid...

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Id rather pay a buck or two for contraception than pay for an abortion or to raise an unwanted kid...
    But handing out contraceptives hasn't reduced the number of kids we are supporting has it. Or reduced the number of kids who show up at school without a coat on a cold morning, without breakfast, without lunch money. So maybe it isn't a problem of whether women can afford contraceptives at all.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But handing out contraceptives hasn't reduced the number of kids we are supporting has it. Or reduced the number of kids who show up at school without a coat on a cold morning, without breakfast, without lunch money. So maybe it isn't a problem of whether women can afford contraceptives at all.
    I didnt think we were handing out contraceptives on a wide basis...and how do you know there would be alot more abortions and unwanted kids without it

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I didnt think we were handing out contraceptives on a wide basis...and how do you know there would be alot more abortions and unwanted kids without it
    I haven't mentioned abortions because I didn't want to derail the thread and bringing that into it would almost certainly derail the thread. (That is unless DP is much different than all other message boards. I've been away from DP for awhile.)

    Schools have been handing out condoms to kids for a number of years now. And yet beginning in 2006, teen pregnancies have been on the rise after a decade of some decline. Maybe a message of abstinance rather than implied advocacy via condoms is more effective? But that can be debated on another thread too.

    And the reason I know increased access to contraceptives is not the answer to unwanted children is because women who want them have unrestricted and usually free access to contraceptives now and yet there are more deprived kids in the ghettos and projects and other inner city neighborhoods than ever.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I haven't mentioned abortions because I didn't want to derail the thread and bringing that into it would almost certainly derail the thread. (That is unless DP is much different than all other message boards. I've been away from DP for awhile.)

    Schools have been handing out condoms to kids for a number of years now. And yet beginning in 2006, teen pregnancies have been on the rise after a decade of some decline. Maybe a message of abstinance rather than implied advocacy via condoms is more effective? But that can be debated on another thread too.

    And the reason I know increased access to contraceptives is not the answer to unwanted children is because women who want them have unrestricted and usually free access to contraceptives now and yet there are more deprived kids in the ghettos and projects and other inner city neighborhoods than ever.
    Yes but very few schools..not even a majority and this poll was about womens contraceptives not children....Im personally for health insurers paying for contraception for women that dont want to have an unwanted child...makes more sense and money much better spent to me than insurers paying for viagra and the like for worn out old men an non performing juniors

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I haven't mentioned abortions because I didn't want to derail the thread and bringing that into it would almost certainly derail the thread. (That is unless DP is much different than all other message boards. I've been away from DP for awhile.)

    Schools have been handing out condoms to kids for a number of years now. And yet beginning in 2006, teen pregnancies have been on the rise after a decade of some decline. Maybe a message of abstinance rather than implied advocacy via condoms is more effective? But that can be debated on another thread too.

    And the reason I know increased access to contraceptives is not the answer to unwanted children is because women who want them have unrestricted and usually free access to contraceptives now and yet there are more deprived kids in the ghettos and projects and other inner city neighborhoods than ever.
    The problem isn't access to contraceptives, it's that we have raised a generation or two of people who have no concept of personal responsibility. Nobody cares if they can afford to have a child, they know the state will send them money every month. Kids don't care either, if it happens, someone else will take care of them. Nobody is taught in school or by parents that some mistakes, if done, can never be undone and they may have life-altering or life-ruining effects.
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