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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I agree with everything but this. We should be doing everything we can to encourage people who are married and financially stable to have more children, and the reversals are far far more expensive than the initial procedures. Paying for reversals not only encourages people to get the procedure done in the first place, but it allows people to reverse it when the time is right.
    Why do we want people to have more children? Overpopulation is a problem now.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    WHAT????????

    We do not need more people in this world.

    Rather than pay for reversal of a surgical procedure, those people could adopt.
    I agree, and let's make adopting easier and much less expensive.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Why do we want people to have more children? Overpopulation is a problem now.
    Except for the fact that it isn't. Overcrowding is a problem, and resource shortages are a problem... and neither of those has to do with a shortage of space or resources. It's because our infrastructure and systems of distribution are inefficient. The Earth can support a population several times what it is currently... and current projections show that it will never exceed 10 billion people.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Are you insane? Everyone is allowed to get insurance. If you can't afford it that's your own problem. As for pre-existing conditions, I don't really agree with the ability to reject people on this premise, but you're basically telling a business to take everyone, even if it's not a smart business decision.

    Free ride? Really? Healthcare is not a basket of bagels that the rich simply hog all to themselves.

    If you have a JOB, and you're working enough for the employer to care about your health, you can get health insurance. But wait! Your beloved Obamacare puts even more undue stress on the businesses that provide the healthcare, meaning they drop employees, cut hours, and cut coverage just to afford it. Putting undue stress on business in the middle of a recession, on the edge of a depression, is not a smart idea.

    Oh yeah, I get dental and eyecare for about 40 bucks a month. I don't pay for primary health care because Obamacare made it so I could stay on my mom's policy. But that doesn't mean that I couldn't find affordable health care.
    Majority of USA cant "afford" it so looks like you lose.

    And OBAMACARE will make HC affordable to ALL.

    I will pay about $20 month for FULL REAL HC Coverage! And so will millions of low wage workers in USA, since that is the only jobs left.

    OPPS, what was that about JOBS and having real HC? You are ignorant idiot if you think having a job means having HC.

    And even if the workers are dumped, they WILL STILL GET HC at a lower cost! LMAO!
    Employer paid is max 9.5% of pay. EXCHANGE HC will be a max of 4-8% of pay!

    So again, the lies and fear mongering FAIL!

    (those less than $10k in no medicaid states will have to move to medicaid states to get 100% paid Fed coverge no thanks to SCOTUS.
    So agian, your lies fail)

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Majority of USA cant "afford" it so looks like you lose.

    And OBAMACARE will make HC affordable to ALL.

    I will pay about $20 month for FULL REAL HC Coverage! And so will millions of low wage workers in USA, since that is the only jobs left.

    OPPS, what was that about JOBS and having real HC? You are ignorant idiot if you think having a job means having HC.

    And even if the workers are dumped, they WILL STILL GET HC at a lower cost! LMAO!
    Employer paid is max 9.5% of pay. EXCHANGE HC will be a max of 4-8% of pay!

    So again, the lies and fear mongering FAIL!

    (those less than $10k in no medicaid states will have to move to medicaid states to get 100% paid Fed coverge no thanks to SCOTUS.
    So agian, your lies fail)
    First of all, most companies offer some form of healthcare. If you're an extremely small business it's understandable not to. Second of all, if you go work for a company full time, if they have benefits, you're probably eligible for them. Third, if healthcare is a concern of yours, don't you think it would be smart to look for a job that offers healthcare benefits? If you choose one that doesn't over one that does, it's your own fault and you have nothing behind complaints about healthcare. Finally, Obamacare makes healthcare available to all on my money. It also causes small businesses to lower hours for their employees to make up for the new expenses in healthcare coverage. This is due to the 40 hour full time qualification being lowered to 30 hours a week. The company that owns restaurants like Olive garden and Longhorn Steakhouse is a perfect example. They're projecting possible shift reductions BECAUSE of Obamacare.

    You're ignorant to believe that most of the country can't afford healthcare. If you work part time for a medium size or large business, you most likely have access to health care coverage. But even if you're not, that doesn't make it right to take it out of my pocket.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    First of all, most companies offer some form of healthcare. If you're an extremely small business it's understandable not to. Second of all, if you go work for a company full time, if they have benefits, you're probably eligible for them. Third, if healthcare is a concern of yours, don't you think it would be smart to look for a job that offers healthcare benefits? If you choose one that doesn't over one that does, it's your own fault and you have nothing behind complaints about healthcare. Finally, Obamacare makes healthcare available to all on my money. It also causes small businesses to lower hours for their employees to make up for the new expenses in healthcare coverage. This is due to the 40 hour full time qualification being lowered to 30 hours a week. The company that owns restaurants like Olive garden and Longhorn Steakhouse is a perfect example. They're projecting possible shift reductions BECAUSE of Obamacare.

    You're ignorant to believe that most of the country can't afford healthcare. If you work part time for a medium size or large business, you most likely have access to health care coverage. But even if you're not, that doesn't make it right to take it out of my pocket.
    Your ignorant because you have not read the bill and just respout the latest GOP and CEO lies.

    1: reducing hours makes NO DIFFERENCE to getting HC under Obamacare. ALL workers will stil l get it. If you earn over $10k year, you wil l get it. * And at the same price (%) of pay. if you earn less, the SAME HC costs LESS.
    This is a way to get the ignorant workers to fear and hate obama care for the election.

    2: America has no credible jobs to offer. So I and millions have no "choice". More lies of the rich. Fake HC is not HC, my plan covers $100 of an ER visit for 50% of my pay........

    3: "my money" ??? If your earn over $250,000, then screw you. You can afford a TINY .9% tax. And the tan tax on that trophy wife of yours.......LMAO

    * if you earn less than $10k you will have to move to a Dem run Medicaid state to get obamacare.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    I've found that 90% (or more) of opposition to federally mandated birth control inclusion in insurance policies is religiously based. In their convoluted stone age thinking, they believe it somehow violates God's plan for humanity.

    That is what should be discussed. Everything else is flotsam, jetsam, diversion and straw man arguments.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Your ignorant because you have not read the bill and just respout the latest GOP and CEO lies.

    1: reducing hours makes NO DIFFERENCE to getting HC under Obamacare. ALL workers will stil l get it. If you earn over $10k year, you wil l get it. * And at the same price (%) of pay. if you earn less, the SAME HC costs LESS.
    This is a way to get the ignorant workers to fear and hate obama care for the election.

    2: America has no credible jobs to offer. So I and millions have no "choice". More lies of the rich. Fake HC is not HC, my plan covers $100 of an ER visit for 50% of my pay........

    3: "my money" ??? If your earn over $250,000, then screw you. You can afford a TINY .9% tax. And the tan tax on that trophy wife of yours.......LMAO

    * if you earn less than $10k you will have to move to a Dem run Medicaid state to get obamacare.
    In case you hadn't noticed, but I'm a student. I don't make anything right now from work. Yet I still have to pay capital gains taxes. Considering I don't have a job that's much needed money.

    What do you mean you have no "choice"? You can choose which healthcare provider you want if your company doesn't provide one, or the one you want. Whether or not you can afford it is not my problem.

    Where does the government get their money? The people. How are social programs like Obamacare funded? Through taxpayer dollars. Don't tell me it won't cost me anything when I'm going to be paying what the poor people can't.

    America has no credible jobs!? You really are an idiot if you believe that. We have a BOOMING information technology industry. Companies are paying out the ass for programmers, systems analysts, project managers, network/database administrators. It's not my fault, nor my responsibility to pay for people who choose to be art majors who can't find a job when they get out of college. That's their own damn fault. What about the healthcare industry? That is a completely reliable field to work in, despite the negative affects of Obamacare.

    Are you aware that 10k a year is 5.20 an hour at full time? You can work part time and still make 10k a year. If you're not making 10k a year, you're not trying.

    "my money" ??? If your earn over $250,000, then screw you. You can afford a TINY .9% tax. And the tan tax on that trophy wife of yours.......LMAO
    No, screw you for thinking that I'm not entitled to the money I earn. Screw you for believing you deserve a piece of what I earn because you make less than I do, or you chose the wrong career path. That is not my problem, and should not be my responsibility to pay for it.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    I will agree that the American taxpayer shouldn't pay for an individual woman's birth control, but then again, the American taxpayer shouldn't pay for anyone's *ANYTHING*!
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    I will probably be branded hard hearted, but I think people should take responsibility for what they choose to do.

    Those who can't afford to buy their own contraceptives should not be having sex.
    Those who can't afford to provide adequate housing, food, shelter, clothing, education, etc. for their children should not have them.
    Those who cannot or will not provide adequate housing, food, shelter, clothing, education etc. for their children should have their children taken away from them.

    Make these American values again and the cultural norm, and the problem on all fronts is solved.
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