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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    NO. Regardless of one's viewpoint on Contraceptives, it is not the proper role of Government to be paying for ANY private medical care for ANYONE who is not in the military.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    What I don't understand is why in America does everything have to be all or nothing? Why do we either all have to pay for birth control or none of us?

    If it's going to be done by a government healthcare, why not have an opt-out ability, so those who do not wish to pay for birth control won't have to, but also won't be able to receive the benefits.

    If it's going to be done by private healthcare, some insurance providers will cover it, and some won't. The ones that do cover it will get substantially more business than those who don't, making it financially viable for them.

    Hell, there could even be an opt-out ability in private health care.

    Why do we have to force any one anything on everyone?
    You could say that about anything. Why not just have opt-in/out for every single thing we're taxed for? I don't want to pay for the wars. Should I be allowed to opt out? What's so special about birth control? War actually kills people. Contraception saves people. Surely I should be able to opt out of paying for war if you think people should be able to opt out of paying for contraception.

    That's not viable and would turn our government into even more of a mess than it already is. This isn't an "American" thing. This is a "government" thing. You can't splinter the government into 100 million different tax schemes and try to function as a society. At that point, we should just split off a la Civil War and go our separate ways.

    The "American" part of it is that we can't ever seem to pony up to the fact that we're a society and we have to function like one. That means you won't like every single thing you're taxed for. I sure as hell don't. But you win some and you lose some. You put in your influence when you can, stop whining like a child if your team loses, and stop resenting people who don't think like you to the point where you try to act like they belong to some other country in all but name.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Pregnancy is not a disease that needs to be prevented or treated, and chemical contraceptives do precisely zero to prevent STD's.

    From a public health standpoint, the only form of birth control that can be rationally justified is condoms. Anything else ought to be paid for out of pocket.
    It sure as hell is from a social perspective. Unwanted pregnancy is a social disease that creates cycles of poverty, unhappiness, sickness, and social burden, and it should most definitely be prevented and treated. It ruins lives and burdens the system.

    What makes condoms justifiable and other birth control not? Hell, if you're having sex often, other forms of contraception are probably cheaper in the long run. Not all poor people are single. Some are in committed relationships or married and aren't worried about STD's. Condoms by themselves are also not as good as other forms of contraception. Doubling up is best, if condoms are part of your regime.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You could say that about anything. Why not just have opt-in/out for every single thing we're taxed for? I don't want to pay for the wars. Should I be allowed to opt out?

    That's not viable and would turn our government into even more of a mess than it already is. This isn't an "American" thing. This is a "government" thing.

    The "American" part of it is that we can't ever seem to pony up to the fact that we're a society and we have to function like one. That means you won't like every single thing you're taxed for. I sure as hell don't. But you win some and you lose some, and you put in your influence when you can, and stop resenting people who don't think like you to the point where you try to act like they belong to some other country in all but name.
    I see two major differences between these two scenarios (taxes funding wars, which not everyone agrees with, and taxes funding birth control, which not everyone wants to pay for.).
    - The constitution specifically outlines the power of the government. Everything not covered in the constitution is by definition out of the scope of government. To levy war is definitely included, to provide birth control is not.
    - It's also simply not viable to opt out of taxes for defense, because not only does every single American benefit from it (defense, i'm not talking about afghanistan and iraq), but the costs are also astronomically higher.

    I'm all for all women being able to get the birth control that they need or want, I just see a whole lot of compromises that could be made to get that done instead of taxing every single American for it.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    Do people realize we already do pay for it?

    Most insurance companies cover related treatments and procedures. . .welfare does, too. I always had mine covered in whole or part. There are some otc methods and I used those, too - like spermacide and condoms.

    Do people know how frequently the human body can enter into pregnancy? I was pregnant just 3 months after my first son was born - even though my cycle hadn't even started, yet - and I was nursing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Pregnancy is not a disease that needs to be prevented or treated, and chemical contraceptives do precisely zero to prevent STD's.

    From a public health standpoint, the only form of birth control that can be rationally justified is condoms. Anything else ought to be paid for out of pocket.
    It's a condition - and if you've ever been pregnant in less than ideal circumstances you're treated like you've committed a horrible crime. . . so perhaps it's a crime against humanity.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    No.

    Your reproductive health is your responsibility. Our approach is woefully broken when we assume that the best solution is to just give **** to people who can't be responsible on their own.

    I can understand a discount program funded via low-income welfare initiatives, but for women like me who work full time, have health insurance, and can easily afford the $15-30 a month for birth control there's absolutely no reason it should be "free". If I were diabetic my insulin damn sure wouldn't be free, and that's a medication I would need to stay alive. Birth control is not imperative to my survival, so why should I get it at no cost simply because somebody somewhere seems to think they only way women can POSSIBLY be responsible about their reproductive health is if all the tools to do so are just handed over to them at not cost?
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Really, subsidized contraception is the most basic and benign form of eugenics. It should be a no-brainer for anyone who gives a damn about the genetic stock of the nation.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I see two major differences between these two scenarios (taxes funding wars, which not everyone agrees with, and taxes funding birth control, which not everyone wants to pay for.).
    - The constitution specifically outlines the power of the government. Everything not covered in the constitution is by definition out of the scope of government. To levy war is definitely included, to provide birth control is not.
    - It's also simply not viable to opt out of taxes for defense, because not only does every single American benefit from it (defense, i'm not talking about afghanistan and iraq), but the costs are also astronomically higher.

    I'm all for all women being able to get the birth control that they need or want, I just see a whole lot of compromises that could be made to get that done instead of taxing every single American for it.
    The Constitution allows lots and lots and lots of wiggle room for what we can tax for. It never puts any particular limitation on that. The government can tax us for anything. And if you think that we should only pay for the things explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, written 250 years ago, then stop driving on the roads. That's ridiculous.

    Yeah, well, I don't think it's viable to opt out women's health care. What's your point?

    Ok, forget war. I could give you a laundry list of things I'd rather not pay for. Why should I pay for them? Why not opt out or in and wind up with 100 million different tax schemes?

    I think if we're going to act like a bunch of different nations, then we should just be a bunch of different nations and stop calling ourselves the United States.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Absolutely not.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The Constitution allows lots and lots and lots of wiggle room for what we can tax for. It never puts any particular limitation on that. The government can tax us for anything. And if you think that we should only pay for the things explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, written 250 years ago, then stop driving on the roads. That's ridiculous.

    Yeah, well, I don't think it's viable to opt out women's health care. What's your point?

    Ok, forget war. I could give you a laundry list of things I'd rather not pay for. Why should I pay for them? Why not opt out or in and wind up with 100 million different tax schemes?

    I think if we're going to act like a bunch of different nations, then we should just be a bunch of different nations and stop calling ourselves the United States.
    I think that's kind of a loaded statement. It's not women's health care in general being opted out, it's one specific thing, and no one who wants it would be denied it.

    The difference is how controversial things like this and Obama care are. Americans are a very diverse people, where one set of conditions is not right for everyone.

    Let me give an example. I live in Germany, where there's state health care, and private health care. One has a choice to opt out of the state health care and go private, however, don't expect to be able to come back. I, for one, am staying with the state health care, because it covers almost everything, and I know that I'll be medically taken care of for the rest of my life. My wife and daughters will have access to contraceptives through the insurance.

    However, the important thing about this is that no one who is against state health care is paying for me.

    We both realize there are a lot of things that aren't viable to be opt-in/opt-out, but there simply are a lot of things that are. We as Americans don't have to agree on every issue. There are some issues where both sides can walk away happy. I'm willing to bet if given the choice that most americans WOULD opt-in for contraceptives.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think that's kind of a loaded statement. It's not women's health care in general being opted out, it's one specific thing, and no one who wants it would be denied it.

    The difference is how controversial things like this and Obama care are. Americans are a very diverse people, where one set of conditions is not right for everyone.

    Let me give an example. I live in Germany, where there's state health care, and private health care. One has a choice to opt out of the state health care and go private, however, don't expect to be able to come back. I, for one, am staying with the state health care, because it covers almost everything, and I know that I'll be medically taken care of for the rest of my life. However, no one who is against state health care is paying for me.

    We both realize there are a lot of things that aren't viable to be opt-in/opt-out, but there simply are a lot of things that are. We as Americans don't have to agree on every issue. There are some issues where both sides can walk away happy. I'm willing to bet if given the choice that most americans WOULD opt-in for contraceptives.
    I think controlling serious diseases like PCOS is pretty important to women's health care. I think allowing women means to space their children or prevent a life-threatening pregnancy is pretty important to women's health care.

    I think if we're going to attempt something like that it has to be a lot broader, a la Germany. Not just, "I will pay for this med, but not this one." In or out. And also, it only works if we get a well-functioning federal system going, which we don't have, and which I doubt Obamacare will fully provide.

    Our health care is a mess. An unholy, bloated, wasteful, over-priced mess. Right now, that's what makes this unworkable. It is so bloated, due to run-away insurance companies and endless litigation, that it takes all of us just to keep it on life support. I've been all over the world, and American health care is the worst of the worst. When we figure out how to make our medical costs and system somewhere within the realm of sanity, then we can talk about opting in and opting out. Right now, we need to fix it.

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