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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    That's not why you took home $50 a week.

    You could have done away with day care costs entirely and reduced your overall cost of living considerably by moving in with some of the "lots" of single mothers you knew and working different shifts to ensure there was a parent home to watch the children at all times. It's not an ideal situation of course but people used to make necessary sacrifices before the government started guaranteeing them a handout.

    Now the thought of going without any amenity is seen as absurd.
    Again, you know nothing of me or my story. I didn't say I was a single parent. Just shows where your thinking is. And, I went without lots of amenities.

    Stop while you are behind.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Did you just tell her that's not *why* ??? Were you there? Heavens - are you her shrink or something? Are you in her head? And pray tell - tell me what's her favorite color.

    You're being presumptuous and a bit annoying . . . it's easy to judge others, isn't it? When you'd never have to be in that situation.

    And the government doesn't guarantee ****.

    Thank you Auntie. That reply was full prejudice.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I do know. You just told me.
    You presumed and got burned.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Your second paragraph lists things that people would normally use insurance to pay for and as I said, only the richest people in the country would be able to do so without insurance. What I'm saying is that those things require a healthcare professional to be properly addressed and cared for which costs a lot of money, hence the need for insurance. The use of a contraceptive (birth control prescriptions omitted) does not require some professional expertise, nor is it expensive. My complaint is why should I have to pay for it? Why should anyone else have to pay for it for the 12-15% who would be supposedly covered by this if it were amended to Obamacare? It's not my responsibility to bail someone out for their decision to have unprotected sex and doing so would reinforce that it's okay for them to do so. Entitlement and lack of responsibility are two ideologies we do not need spreading any further.
    You would be wrong. Almost all birth control requires a doctor's prescription to get. I don't know of any oral BC that doesn't require a prescription, plus shots and patches and implants all require a doctor as well. A prescription means going to a doctor and usually having some form of exam or at least doctor questioning. The use of almost any birth control, with the exception of pretty much only condoms, requires a doctor, professional expertise. And most is absolutely expensive for most people. My low dose BC after my child was born, while I was still breastfeeding was over $120 for a three month supply. There are plenty of other birth control options that are more expensive and there are also plenty that will not work for certain women (low-dose is actually the only kind I can take due to a blood disorder I have).

    This isn't about a "sense of entitlement". It is about people making mistakes or choices that could lead to bigger problems. And pretending that everyone would make the "right" decision if given "no other option" doesn't make sense. In their minds, they aren't thinking about what might happen when they have sex to begin with, not most people anyway. Many are just in it for the instant gratification. Right or wrong, it won't change anything if they end up pregnant from that choice. So it is best to try to prevent that pregnancy from entering into the picture at all.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But you are only thwarting yourself. You don't like social welfare programs but you won't support a program that will reduce the biggest programs.
    Because it doesn't solve the problem, it only stems if off. To solve the problem you need to empower people to get up and do something with their lives. Social welfare programs tell them "It's okay, you can do nothing and someone else will pay for you." If it's there, people will take advantage of it simply because they can. That is what brought on this problem to begin with. Back in the great depression people needed it. After it was over they said "Oh! I don't have to work, the government will pay for me!" Thus began a long line of moochers.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In that case - it's best not to have children you can't afford! Don't you agree?
    Of course it's best not to have children you can't afford.

    The problem is two fold:

    (1) You two support policies that encourage financially unstable people to have children.
    (2) You two support policies that discourage financially unstable parents from getting needed jobs to support their families.

    You two make it sound as though pregnancy is an infectious disease that someone simply catches. The reality is you have to actively do something, often many times, to become pregnant. Stop doing it if you can't afford to do it.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Well said Auntie! Pay for unplanned children>contraception. No way to argue that equation.
    There is no such thing as consequence free sex.

    Promoting that silly life style is what has led us to the problems we face today.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You would be wrong. Almost all birth control requires a doctor's prescription to get. I don't know of any oral BC that doesn't require a prescription, plus shots and patches and implants all require a doctor as well. A prescription means going to a doctor and usually having some form of exam or at least doctor questioning. The use of almost any birth control, with the exception of pretty much only condoms, requires a doctor, professional expertise. And most is absolutely expensive for most people. My low dose BC after my child was born, while I was still breastfeeding was over $120 for a three month supply. There are plenty of other birth control options that are more expensive and there are also plenty that will not work for certain women (low-dose is actually the only kind I can take due to a blood disorder I have).

    This isn't about a "sense of entitlement". It is about people making mistakes or choices that could lead to bigger problems. And pretending that everyone would make the "right" decision if given "no other option" doesn't make sense. In their minds, they aren't thinking about what might happen when they have sex to begin with, not most people anyway. Many are just in it for the instant gratification. Right or wrong, it won't change anything if they end up pregnant from that choice. So it is best to try to prevent that pregnancy from entering into the picture at all.
    I've purchased some at the pharmacy without a prescription before. And since, as you say, that most of those things require a doctor, they are generally covered by insurance to some degree.

    To your second paragraph, if you've seen any other posts I've made, I mention that it's also a lack of responsibility, which directly addresses what you're talking about. Even if people do try the instant gratification thing, they still need to take responsibility for their actions. And when they wind up with a baby, it's the entitlement ideology that makes them think I owe them something to support their baby. No matter how benign you make sex, it still has to be handled responsibly, just like anything else, and when not done so, should be prepared for the consequences.

    So you see, the lack of responsibility regarding the matter puts them in the position that thrusts the entitlement ideology into their lives. I have a friend who had an unplanned baby, now he's voting for Obama solely because he "need" Obamacare to support his child. The funny thing is, he used a condom and it didn't work. Never the less, the circumstance presented the entitlement ideology.

    No matter what the case is, I don't owe you anything, especially things you're responsible for.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Well said Auntie! Pay for unplanned children>contraception. No way to argue that equation.
    How about getting people off of the entitlement ideology and onto a responsibility ideology, so these people care for their own children?
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are conflating two unlike things. Using contraception can certainly be wise - that does not mean that you have the right to demand that others provide it for you. Going to the gym is good too, I don't have the right to demand that you cover my bill at Golds.
    No I'm not. The stupidity of calling contraceptive use "bad behavior" is totally separate from the issue of whether or not we should provide it to impoverished women. I was simply pointing out that it is, indeed, stupidity.

    We should provide it to impoverished women because it's economically and socially prudent to do so, and because poor people are entitled to a certain standard of quality of life too, which is why we have medical care for the poor to begin with.

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