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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    What about the children of those who cannot work because child care renders the effort moot? I've been there.
    Child care doesn't render the effort moot. People just don't want to work when someone is offering them a handout.

    It's amazing how it all worked out before those handouts became available.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    And we're saying we shouldn't be.

    It's simply not working and there's little real wiggle room there.

    Incentivizing bad behavior only brings about more bad behavior and that has been proven ad nauseam since the '60s.
    Ok, you are saying it shouldn't be, but it is going on, and it will go on. So now you have to deal with that. How do you do that? But clicking your heels and saying "there is no place like home" and hoping to be transported to this magical place where all people do what you wish of them? Or by acknowledging that there is a problem and you need to deal with it?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Ok, you are saying it shouldn't be, but it is going on, and it will go on. So now you have to deal with that. How do you do that? But clicking your heels and saying "there is no place like home" and hoping to be transported to this magical place where all people do what you wish of them? Or by acknowledging that there is a problem and you need to deal with it?
    It can't go on much longer.

    We've run ourselves too far into debt to throw away money on people like you who just don't want to work.

    Enjoy the gravy train while it lasts because it's going to come to an end.

    Social programs all around the world are starting to be reduced and it's going to continue to be reduced until they're at more manageable levels.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Child care doesn't render the effort moot. People just don't want to work when someone is offering them a handout.

    It's amazing how it all worked out before those handouts became available.
    I beg your pardon. When my first child was born, I took home $50 a week over my child care bill. Why? Because I was trying to grow my own business.

    So I call BS.

    I know lots of women who worked under similar circumstances.

    You don't know what you are talking about.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    It can't go on much longer.

    We've run ourselves too far into debt to throw away money on people like you who just don't want to work.

    Enjoy the gravy train while it lasts because it's going to come to an end.

    You have know idea who I am or my story. Or those of millions of working women. Your condescension is
    insulting.
    Last edited by Gina; 10-17-12 at 01:03 AM.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Again, we're all clearly stating that the government should not be supporting this.

    You and Gina are advocating for what amounts to incentivizing very bad behavior and the outcome has been a steady stream of increasingly worse behavior since the '60s.

    It's not even like this is really debatable this point.

    The social problems that the '60s tried to correct are almost all worse today then they were then.
    Yes. A married couple not being able to afford children *right now* while maybe he works and gets through med school or she's temporarily unemployed because her employer folded is very bad behavior.

    You're saying such things as if only single slutty whores and hung jiggalos ever have unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. You know -a lot of people WANT to have children. Just *right now* is not the ideal time.

    Now - unless you're only willing to have sex if you *are* actively trying to have a child you really shouldn't suggest that it's 'bad behavior' to not want a child *right now*

    Right now - our economy sucks. Gas for me costs $3.59/gallon . . . milk is over $4.00/gallon. Bad would BE having children amid such a ****ty state where you simply cannot afford the medical costs and financial burden otherwise.

    Pregnancy and child rearing does not happen in a financial-free bubble . . .and of course my post referred to ROMANIA as I tried to point out - the bad behavior was the government who banned abortion to raise the population count and who destroyed more families than they created by taking an already difficult situation and making it worse for everyone.

    Nice attempt at a sidestep from my point, though - but regardless - having children costs more money than contraception - indeed it does. Nothing can scrub that fact out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    It can't go on much longer.

    We've run ourselves too far into debt to throw away money on people like you who just don't want to work.

    Enjoy the gravy train while it lasts because it's going to come to an end.

    Social programs all around the world are starting to be reduced and it's going to continue to be reduced until they're at more manageable levels.
    In that case - it's best not to have children you can't afford! Don't you agree?
    Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 10-17-12 at 01:03 AM.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes. A married couple not being able to afford children *right now* while maybe he works and gets through med school or she's temporarily unemployed because her employer folded is very bad behavior.

    You're saying such things as if only single slutty whores and hung jiggalos ever have unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. You know -a lot of people WANT to have children. Just *right now* is not the ideal time.

    Now - unless you're only willing to have sex if you *are* actively trying to have a child you really shouldn't suggest that it's 'bad behavior' to not want a child *right now*

    Right now - our economy sucks. Gas for me costs $3.59/gallon . . . milk is over $4.00/gallon. Bad would BE having children amid such a ****ty state where you simply cannot afford the medical costs and financial burden otherwise.

    Pregnancy and child rearing does not happen in a financial-free bubble . . .and of course my post referred to ROMANIA as I tried to point out - the bad behavior was the government who banned abortion to raise the population count and who destroyed more families than they created by taking an already difficult situation and making it worse for everyone.

    Nice attempt at a sidestep from my point, though - but regardless - having children costs more money than contraception - indeed it does. Nothing can scrub that fact out.



    In that case - it's best not to have children you can't afford! Don't you agree?
    Well said Auntie! Pay for unplanned children>contraception. No way to argue that equation.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I beg your pardon. When my first child was born, I took home $50 a week over my child care bill. Why? Because I was trying to grow my own business.

    So I call BS.

    I know lots of women who worked under similar circumstances.

    You don't know what you are talking about.
    That's not why you took home $50 a week.

    You could have done away with day care costs entirely and reduced your overall cost of living considerably by moving in with some of the "lots" of single mothers you knew and working different shifts to ensure there was a parent home to watch the children at all times. It's not an ideal situation of course but people used to make necessary sacrifices before the government started guaranteeing them a handout.

    Now the thought of going without any amenity is seen as absurd.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You have know idea who I am or my story. Or those of millions of working women. Your condescension is
    insulting.
    I do know. You just told me.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    That's not why you took home $50 a week.

    You could have done away with day care costs entirely and reduced your overall cost of living considerably by moving in with some of the "lots" of single mothers you knew and working different shifts to ensure there was a parent home to watch the children at all times. It's not an ideal situation of course but people used to make necessary sacrifices before the government started guaranteeing them a handout.

    Now the thought of going without any amenity is seen as absurd.
    Did you just tell her that's not *why* ??? Were you there? Heavens - are you her shrink or something? Are you in her head? And pray tell - tell me what's her favorite color.

    You're being presumptuous and a bit annoying . . . it's easy to judge others, isn't it? When you'd never have to be in that situation.

    And the government doesn't guarantee ****.
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