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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    None of us are suggesting we should pay for the results of unplanned pregnancies though.
    But that is what is occurring right now.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Again, it's the entitlement ideology that needs to end. Supporting programs that give people free stuff, especially those who claim to need it, does nothing but enable that behavior.
    But you are only thwarting yourself. You don't like social welfare programs but you won't support a program that will reduce the biggest programs.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    By taking away all incentives not to.

    It would be work or starve and I just don't see a problem with that.

    Certainly there are some people who genuinely can't work and I don't have any problems with a government providing for those people. I also don't have any problems with a small, temporary safety net to get people back on their feet.
    What about the children of those who cannot work because child care renders the effort moot? I've been there.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is only conflicting proof of the statement.
    The fact is that free or reduced cost birth control was already available to low income/poor women.

    Giving all birth control users (Upper, Middle and Low income) free birth control, doesn't help poor women get free stuff, that they could already get.
    The difference, as I read in the article, is that women were offered long term birth control, like the implant and IUD's. Those are not part of what is offered to low income women, at this time.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    If the goal is to cut abortion rates, wouldn't making abortions illegal be a vastly cheaper and more effective strategy?
    By what - increasing the number of unwanted children being born to unfit or unloving parents - or put into an already overflowing adoption and foster care system? . . . that's what happened elsewhere - Romania. Decree 770 illegalized abortion except for within a few types of situations - and they went to extremes to ensure that almost every child conceived was birthed.

    It became a major crisis - TOO many children born to parents who just couldn't afford to raise them because the financial burden was too heavy for the government to cover as they promised they would do.

    Romania repealed it's policy - legalized abortions . . . immediately after doing so they calculated nearly 1,000,000 abortions in 1989 (just after legalization) - but in 2009 that dropped to just over 100,000. So obviously other measures are proving ot be more effective at lowering the number without causing a serious crisis otherwise.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But that is what is occurring right now.
    And we're saying we shouldn't be.

    It's simply not working and there's little real wiggle room there.

    Incentivizing bad behavior only brings about more bad behavior and that has been proven ad nauseam since the '60s.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    By what - increasing the number of unwanted children being born to unfit or unloving parents - or put into an already overflowing adoption and foster care system? . . . that's what happened elsewhere - Romania. Decree 770 illegalized abortion except for within a few types of situations - and they went to extremes to ensure every child conceived was birthed.

    It became a major crisis - TOO many children born to parents who just couldn't afford to raise them because the financial burden was too heavy for the government to cover as they promised they would do.

    Romania repealed it's policy - legalized abortions . . . immediately after doing so they calculated nearly 1,000,000 abortions in 1989 (just after legalization) - but in 2009 that dropped to just over 100,000. So obviously other measures are proving ot be more effective at lowering the number without causing a serious crisis otherwise.
    Again, we're all clearly stating that the government should not be supporting this.

    You and Gina are advocating for what amounts to incentivizing very bad behavior and the outcome has been a steady stream of increasingly worse behavior since the '60s.

    It's not even like this is really debatable this point.

    The social problems that the '60s tried to correct are almost all worse today then they were then.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    What about the freee ride the rich get on healthcare? poor pay and only the rich collect?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Because the premise of this thread isn't just about whether or not women should have access to contraceptives, it's about the entitlement ideology and lack of responsibility.

    I never said birth control was a short term problem. I said it was a long term problem and giving away free contraceptives is a short term solution to that problem.

    Every day girls becoming sexually active should recognize the risks and take responsibility for their actions by either buying their own contraceptives, or refraining from the activity until they can. If they decide to go ahead with it anyways, well they should have listened in health class. Should have listened to her parents. Should have listened to anyone with an opinion about teen pregnancy. I don't feel sorry for people who screw up against all advice to the contrary. And if I'm not mistaken, several high schools give away condoms for that very reason.

    So long as it doesn't come out of my pocket, I don't care.
    I won't quibble with short term solution vs. long term problem.

    The fact is, shoulda, woulda, coulda, girls get pregnant. Even smart ones. Providing poor women with free contraception was shown in this study as a viable, successful, solution. Again, you can say they get what they deserve, but it is on your dime.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    its simple cheap preventive care. Same as any other preventive care.

    Bible thumpers can thump all they want. In there OWN CHURCH.

    They have no right to tell me how to live..........

    And when they do, I remind them of the millions of murders they are responsible for over 2000 years.

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