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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And, as I said before, it's a constant medication when individual women's economic stability may not always be constant.

    Which is especially the case with women who need it the most - the poor and college students, who are least likely to afford such things.

    So no, still no contradiction.
    I guess by that logic, we should socialize that cost of water, sewer, mortgages/rent, food, car payments....well everything.
    After all, these bills are constant (and typically more expensive than a 30 day supply of ortho tricyclen), while economic situations are not.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    This isn't a war in actuality. This is a concept of an aggressive movement to reduce the quantity and usage of illegal substances in the country. They're not dispatching hundreds of thousands of combat armed soldiers with tanks and armored personnel carriers packed with trillions of bullets. Does it cost money? Sure, but not to the magnitude that you are projecting it to.
    Except you're not including the costs of the War on Drugs domestically. Factor in the costs we pay to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies, as well as the money to prosecutors and the court costs, as well as the costs in imprisoning those convicted of drugs crimes. Also include the costs for having ex-convicts with drug felonies being unable to acquire employment to large corporations.

    Then the money we spend on waging it boggles the mind.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess by that logic, we should socialize that cost of water, sewer, mortgages/rent, food, car payments....well everything.
    After all, these bills are constant (and typically more expensive than a 30 day supply of ortho tricyclen), while economic situations are not.
    I have no problem with socializing basic services.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except you're not including the costs of the War on Drugs domestically. Factor in the costs we pay to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies, as well as the money to prosecutors and the court costs, as well as the costs in imprisoning those convicted of drugs crimes. Also include the costs for having ex-convicts with drug felonies being unable to acquire employment to large corporations.

    Then the money we spend on waging it boggles the mind.
    Many of those people caught and prosecuted have to pay court fees and such, so it's not all on the burden of the state. Those states also budget out the money they already receive to support hunting down drugs and their users.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Many of those people caught and prosecuted have to pay court fees and such, so it's not all on the burden of the state. Those states also budget out the money they already receive to support hunting down drugs and their users.
    1) And so those caught people are bearing a greater economic burden to the state just because they want to get high. Don't see how that's justifiable.

    2) Indeed. But what that means is they go after false drug suspects in order to impound their property just to fill the state treasury. Which is not justifiable either.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess by that logic, we should socialize that cost of water, sewer, mortgages/rent, food, car payments....well everything.
    After all, these bills are constant (and typically more expensive than a 30 day supply of ortho tricyclen), while economic situations are not.
    Well - people on welfare do get support for all of that in some places.

    I'd rather they go without cable - and in return get bc . . . seems reasonable.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    If the goal is to cut abortion rates, wouldn't making abortions illegal be a vastly cheaper and more effective strategy?
    Yes. And let the churches pay for bringing up the children, not my taxes. They already have the money right?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anrch-Cptlst View Post
    Contraception is of personal matter. It should have nothing to do with public funding.
    And the result of not using contraception when it should be used because the child can't be supported is also a personal matter. And that child is a personal matter for how long?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yes. And let the churches pay for bringing up the children, not my taxes. They already have the money right?
    How about you raise your own children and let me raise mine?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anrch-Cptlst View Post
    So why did it cost the U.S. that much?
    The Public Costs of Births Resulting from Unintended Pregnancies: National and State-Level Estimates - Sonfield - 2011 - Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health - Wiley Online Library

    I cannot access the the report Guttmacher is quoting.

    So, some thoughtful guesses? Welfare, WIC, food stamps. Many women who have unintended pregnancies cannot pay for their prenatal care, if they get it. Cannot pay for the delivery, so they apply for Medicaid and what they won't pay, the hospital writes off and passes along to the rest of us. I just mentioned Medicaid, another tax payer provided program. Then going forward, if there is no insurance, when the child is sick, that's another hit on Medicaid or a hospital write off. These are just a few off the top of my head. I would really like to read that paper though.

    The Public Costs of Births Resulting from Unintended Pregnancies: National and State-Level Estimates - Sonfield - 2011 - Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health - Wiley Online Library

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