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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Okay the war comment is another discussion that doesn't belong here, but if someone flew a plane into one of your very important buildings, killing thousands of people, would you give them a slap on the wrist and send them on their way? I rather doubt it. And I think the bailout was absolutely unnecessary and reckless. Business is business, if you go out of it, tough luck.
    No, the answer is clearly to invade a country that had nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Okay fine.

    Then let's stop fighting the unnecessary wars and stop bailing out Wall Street, and that way we can focus on paying for relatively cheap pharmaceuticals so women can have a better standard of living in our country.
    For the majority of women, it will have a neutral effect on their standard of living, because they could already afford birth control.
    Sorry.

    It seems to me, that a lot of you are making casual fallacies, assuming 100% of potential birth control users, need this subsidy.
    When in reality, only a minority of them could greatly benefit from it.

    Oh and if they are cheap, then why do we need to provide it?
    Seems like you're presenting a contradiction here.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You're right.

    I would ask them exactly why they felt that flying a plane into one of my very important buildings and killing thousands of people was the only way to get my attention.

    And then I would talk to them to find out what their grievances were.

    Which cannot be limited to "they hate our freedoms" and is more like "you put soldiers on our holy lands."

    And flying planes into buildings has nothing to do with going to war in a useless attempt to keep people who want to get high from getting high.
    To the first, plain and simply, they hate us and they hate that we created Israel for those that live there. This holy war has been going on for centuries and we stepped right into the middle of it. That is why they hate us.

    If you're talking about immigration in the second part, that is hardly because of weed. Sure, that was some motivation to cut the level of illegal substances in the US, but it was more about keeping people who can't legally be here out. They leech off of the system and don't contribute back their share, which plays into the economy quite significantly. That can hardly be called a war.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For the majority of women, it will have a neutral effect on their standard of living, because they could already afford birth control.
    Sorry.

    It seems to me, that a lot of you are making casual fallacies, assuming 100% of potential birth control users, need this subsidy.
    When in reality, only a minority of them could greatly benefit from it.

    Oh and if they are cheap, then why do we need to provide it?
    Seems like you're presenting a contradiction here.
    They are cheap when you mutualize the cost.

    And birth control is a rather constant medication. People's economic situations aren't.

    So no contradiction at all.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    To the first, plain and simply, they hate us and they hate that we created Israel for those that live there. This holy war has been going on for centuries and we stepped right into the middle of it. That is why they hate us.

    If you're talking about immigration in the second part, that is hardly because of weed. Sure, that was some motivation to cut the level of illegal substances in the US, but it was more about keeping people who can't legally be here out. They leech off of the system and don't contribute back their share, which plays into the economy quite significantly. That can hardly be called a war.
    I'm referring to the War on Drugs as one of the unnecessary wars we are currently fighting.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    They are cheap when you mutualize the cost.

    And birth control is a rather constant medication. People's economic situations aren't.
    They're cheap before you subsidize the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So no contradiction at all.
    No it's still there.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    No, the answer is clearly to invade a country that had nothing to do with it.
    The Taliban and Al Queda aren't a country themselves, but they reside within countries that harbor and support terrorism and Islamic extremism. The goal (which has sorely been failed at) was to root out those two groups and others like it within the harboring nations, and provide those nations with a governmental structure to keep it from happening again.

    As for Iraq, those people were being oppressed by a dictator. Whether or not there were WMDs, Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power. Left there, eventually he and Iran would become a far larger problem than they are currently.

    This has been derailed. Again.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They're cheap before you subsidize the cost.



    No it's still there.
    And, as I said before, it's a constant medication when individual women's economic stability may not always be constant.

    Which is especially the case with women who need it the most - the poor and college students, who are least likely to afford such things.

    So no, still no contradiction.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm referring to the War on Drugs as one of the unnecessary wars we are currently fighting.
    This isn't a war in actuality. This is a concept of an aggressive movement to reduce the quantity and usage of illegal substances in the country. They're not dispatching hundreds of thousands of combat armed soldiers with tanks and armored personnel carriers packed with trillions of bullets. Does it cost money? Sure, but not to the magnitude that you are projecting it to.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And, as I said before, it's a constant medication when individual women's economic stability may not always be constant.

    Which is especially the case with women who need it the most - the poor and college students, who are least likely to afford such things.

    So no, still no contradiction.
    The argument has been made before that contraceptive tools are cheap. I AM a college student and I can afford it. I don't even have a job.

    For medically justifiable reasons for things like Birth Control pills, I'm supportive of because insurance companies pay out for prescriptions. I am against it coming out of my pocket. If you can't be medically justified in getting a contraceptive at discount prices or free, you should have to buy it yourself.
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