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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I think it's also a way to paint Romney as a woman hater, since the "war on women" is such a huge, yet extremely stupid, topic right now.
    Sorta yes and sorta no.
    It was put into place before Romney had decided to run, IIRC.

    However, if anyone attempts to remove the mandate now, yes, they would be characterized as women haters, by a lot of people.
    One of the single biggest, if not the biggest issue for women, of any political leaning, is going to be women's health.

    In my opinion, it was a cheap and quite clever trick.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Only a bagger would look around at what is going on and not see the war on women, no matter, you guys are done...bye bye LOL

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenhawks View Post
    Only a bagger would look around at what is going on and not see the war on women, no matter, you guys are done...bye bye LOL
    I hardly see men yanking women out into the streets and shooting them. Women aren't losing their rights for anything. People are just saying things like "Oh he doesn't support abortion, he must hate women", or "Oh he doesn't want women to have access to contraceptives, he must hate women". Both are EXTREMELY speculative and absolutely ludicrous, especially when blaming a candidate for presidency. Do you really think someone who hated women would volunteer to run a country full of them? I think not. People are getting too picky and making too many assumptions.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Well, I am all for reducing population so I initially disagreed with you. However, the point I bolded is a very good point. People would be more likely to get one if they knew the option to get it reversed was available. So you have convinced me to change my stance on that point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    WHAT????????

    We do not need more people in this world.

    Rather than pay for reversal of a surgical procedure, those people could adopt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So China & India are the greatest places on Earth?

    Surely there's a limit on how many people is enough.

    7 Billions isn't enough?

    Clean water, food, energy, and such...

    Please take 5 minutes out of your busy life, lives that are comprised of fearing overpopulation, to educate yourselves on "peak population" predictions.






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    Rosling was born in Uppsala, Sweden. From 1967 to 1974 Rosling studied statistics and medicine at Uppsala University, and in 1972 he studied public health at St. John's Medical College, Bangalore. He became a licenced physician in 1976 and from 1979 to 1981 he served as District Medical Officer in Nacala in northern Mozambique.

    On 21 August 1981, Rosling discovered an outbreak of konzo, a paralytic disease,[3][4] and the investigations that followed earned him a Ph.D. degree at Uppsala University in 1986. He spent two decades studying outbreaks of this disease in remote rural areas across Africa and supervised more than ten Ph.D. students[citation needed]. Outbreaks occur among hunger-stricken rural populations in Africa where a diet dominated by insufficiently processed cassava results in simultaneous malnutrition and high dietary cyanide intake.[4]

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Contraception is of personal matter. It should have nothing to do with public funding.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Wean these people off the government's tit.

    I would eliminate all social spending gradually over ten years time and force people to find a skill set to support themselves. If ten years isn't enough time to find work then they can build a raft and head to Cuba for all the benefits of Communism.
    How would you force them?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What you're suggesting is a short term solution to a long term problem. Giving people free stuff does not encourage them to do anything but accept said free stuff. We need these people back on their feet, as you agreed, not sucking up tax revenue for something they should already be responsible for. Instead, why don't they use some of the money wasted on social welfare programs to fund training programs, as you suggested. Real assistance is not giving them free stuff, but tackling the problem at it's source: the entitlement and lack of responsibility ideologies.
    And if you give women who cannot afford birth control, free birth control, as demonstrated, they will be responsible and use it. So why can't you do both? Birth control is not a short term problem. Everyday girls become sexually active. It's a continuous, never ending problem.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anrch-Cptlst View Post
    Contraception is of personal matter. It should have nothing to do with public funding.
    And yet...

    According to a 2011 study from the Guttmacher Institute, unplanned pregnancies costs the United States a conservatively estimated $11 billion per year.
    So it's better to be paying for the results of unplanned pregnancies than to spend less and prevent them. Check.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    And yet...



    So it's better to be paying for the results of unplanned pregnancies than to spend less and prevent them. Check.
    So why did it cost the U.S. that much?
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    And if you give women who cannot afford birth control, free birth control, as demonstrated, they will be responsible and use it. So why can't you do both? Birth control is not a short term problem. Everyday girls become sexually active. It's a continuous, never ending problem.
    Because the premise of this thread isn't just about whether or not women should have access to contraceptives, it's about the entitlement ideology and lack of responsibility.

    I never said birth control was a short term problem. I said it was a long term problem and giving away free contraceptives is a short term solution to that problem.

    Every day girls becoming sexually active should recognize the risks and take responsibility for their actions by either buying their own contraceptives, or refraining from the activity until they can. If they decide to go ahead with it anyways, well they should have listened in health class. Should have listened to her parents. Should have listened to anyone with an opinion about teen pregnancy. I don't feel sorry for people who screw up against all advice to the contrary. And if I'm not mistaken, several high schools give away condoms for that very reason.

    So long as it doesn't come out of my pocket, I don't care.
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