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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    That's like saying: Taxes are already going to pay for services for the poor, so let's just buy them all cars and pay for their gas so that they can drive around and look for work.

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Well if taxes are already going to pay for women to have children they can't afford, I'd rather pay a little less and cover something that prevents that!

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's like saying: Taxes are already going to pay for services for the poor, so let's just buy them all cars and pay for their gas so that they can drive around and look for work.
    Umm no, it's like paying less for something that would prevent them from being poor in the first place.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    What is your suggestion?
    Wean these people off the government's tit.

    I would eliminate all social spending gradually over ten years time and force people to find a skill set to support themselves. If ten years isn't enough time to find work then they can build a raft and head to Cuba for all the benefits of Communism.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Any woman who qualifies for medical assistance should be able to get birth control under that insurance. If we ever managed to join the developed world and have a single-payer system, birth control should be covered on that as well.

    Using contraception is not "bad behavior," and the mind-blowing degree of ignorance it requires for someone to think that is just so beyond me I can't even comprehend it. Using contraception is good, responsible behavior.
    You are conflating two unlike things. Using contraception can certainly be wise - that does not mean that you have the right to demand that others provide it for you. Going to the gym is good too, I don't have the right to demand that you cover my bill at Golds.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Sorry, I missed reading this post. Essentially they are raped since they have no other safe solution.
    You are judging someone's options from situations you are used to, nice good ones. Not ones where the woman has limited or no good choices and needs a man to protect her from other men.
    You don't understand how common rape, that will not be prosequted, is. And if there is an arrest and no conviction who will really pay the price?
    What? What is it you think we pay police for? Ever hear of an injunction? If she has to get out on the street for a night to avoid the rape, so be it. If she submits to the rape, then there's more evidence against the guy. You're assuming that rape is the only option. Besides, if this is the circumstance, free contraceptives would the be last thing on my mind.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I think you are missing the bigger point, maybe a few of them.

    One can be on their high horse, decrying those on assistance as living off their tax dollar and nothing changes. Or one could insist one's tax dollar be used more effectively to keep from increasing the number of people on social welfare programs by helping them take responsibility for their contraception.

    The $11 billion a year is already spent at your expense. Why don't we put the horse back ahead of the cart and work to lower that number, not with self-satisfying "they get what they deserve", because it's been shown that is not an effective way to solve the problem. They are getting what they deserve, at your expense. Start by reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies, with contraception. Stop increasing the number of children born into certain poverty because once they are born, their mothers will struggle even more to support them. A good way to get people on their feet is not to burden them in the first place because people feel they'd rather pay after the fact and complain about it.

    I don't know and won't guess the means you would employ to get people back on their feet instead of giving them free stuff. I agree, let's get them back on their feet with training programs and assistance with finding jobs. Real assistance because there is darn little of that right now.
    What you're suggesting is a short term solution to a long term problem. Giving people free stuff does not encourage them to do anything but accept said free stuff. We need these people back on their feet, as you agreed, not sucking up tax revenue for something they should already be responsible for. Instead, why don't they use some of the money wasted on social welfare programs to fund training programs, as you suggested. Real assistance is not giving them free stuff, but tackling the problem at it's source: the entitlement and lack of responsibility ideologies.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Absolutely yes, the country should pay for women's contraception. Not only that, but the country should pay for women's plastic surgeries too. France does it. And French women are a LOT happier than American women. And consequently the entire France is happier than the USA. (This is true, not bull.)

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    The vast majority of women, who benefit from the insurance mandate of free birth control, were already using and could afford birth control.
    So the argument that it's cheaper than a kid or whatever is moot and generally carries little water.

    This mandate was a gender based, political bait tool for women.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The vast majority of women, who benefit from the insurance mandate of free birth control, were already using and could afford birth control.
    So the argument that it's cheaper than a kid or whatever is moot and generally carries little water.

    This mandate was a gender based, political bait tool for women.
    This. So much this.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The vast majority of women, who benefit from the insurance mandate of free birth control, were already using and could afford birth control.
    So the argument that it's cheaper than a kid or whatever is moot and generally carries little water.

    This mandate was a gender based, political bait tool for women.
    I think it's also a way to paint Romney as a woman hater, since the "war on women" is such a huge, yet extremely stupid, topic right now.
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