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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I think you are missing the bigger point, maybe a few of them.

    One can be on their high horse, decrying those on assistance as living off their tax dollar and nothing changes. Or one could insist one's tax dollar be used more effectively to keep from increasing the number of people on social welfare programs by helping them take responsibility for their contraception.

    The $11 billion a year is already spent at your expense. Why don't we put the horse back ahead of the cart and work to lower that number, not with self-satisfying "they get what they deserve", because it's been shown that is not an effective way to solve the problem. They are getting what they deserve, at your expense. Start by reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies, with contraception. Stop increasing the number of children born into certain poverty because once they are born, their mothers will struggle even more to support them. A good way to get people on their feet is not to burden them in the first place because people feel they'd rather pay after the fact and complain about it.

    I don't know and won't guess the means you would employ to get people back on their feet instead of giving them free stuff. I agree, let's get them back on their feet with training programs and assistance with finding jobs. Real assistance because there is darn little of that right now.
    Sure but part of finding a solution is recognizing many of these social issues didn't exist in any meaningful way before the 1960's gave way to a nanny state and they have only gotten worse as we've thrown more money at the issues. Prior to the 1960's people were expected to work and, what is more important, they did; they supported themselves.

    Young posters were annoyed at me earlier but the reality is people accidentally falling penis first into open vaginas didn't really exist when I was growing up mostly because it wasn't tolerated. Now we don't just tolerate it but we encourage it through more social programs than I can count, and not because I can't count very high.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Sure but part of finding a solution is recognizing many of these social issues didn't exist in any meaningful way before the 1960's gave way to a nanny state and they have only gotten worse as we've thrown more money at the issues. Prior to the 1960's people were expected to work and, what is more important, they did; they supported themselves.

    Young posters were annoyed at me earlier but the reality is people accidentally falling penis first into open vaginas didn't really exist when I was growing up mostly because it wasn't tolerated. Now we don't just tolerate it but we encourage it through more social programs than I can count, and not because I can't count very high.
    I agree, the social welfare programs of the 1960's grew out of control, but were reigned in with reform in 1996. Further, indeed, throwing money at an issue without thinking first, is no way to solve a problem. So, I'm saying, let's think about it. Since social mores changed, causing the welfare rolls to swell, let's work to address that. People were having sex before marriage before welfare was passed and they will continue to have it. Can't stuff the toothpaste back in that tube, so let's work on prevention through education and contraception. Or, we can just continue throwing $11 billion indiscriminately at it and be unhappy about that.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I agree, the social welfare programs of the 1960's grew out of control, but were reigned in with reform in 1996. Further, indeed, throwing money at an issue without thinking first, is no way to solve a problem. So, I'm saying, let's think about it. Since social mores changed, causing the welfare rolls to swell, let's work to address that. People were having sex before marriage before welfare was passed and they will continue to have it. Can't stuff the toothpaste back in that tube, so let's work on prevention through education and contraception. Or, we can just continue throwing $11 billion indiscriminately at it and be unhappy about that.
    We've been talking about prevention through education and contraception since the problem began more than half a century ago with little to show for it. What makes you think the next 50 years will be any different than the last 50?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    We've been talking about prevention through education and contraception since the problem began more than half a century ago with little to show for it. What makes you think the next 50 years will be any different than the last 50?
    For one, the study that I cited. It was hugely successful.

    Free birth control cuts abortion rate dramatically, study finds - Vitals

    No matter the objection of some segments of our citizenry, we need to embrace programs like this. It worked.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    For one, the study that I cited. It was hugely successful.

    Free birth control cuts abortion rate dramatically, study finds - Vitals

    No matter the objection of some segments of our citizenry, we need to embrace programs like this. It worked.
    If the goal is to cut abortion rates, wouldn't making abortions illegal be a vastly cheaper and more effective strategy?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    If the goal is to cut abortion rates, wouldn't making abortions illegal be a vastly cheaper and more effective strategy?
    In cutting the abortion rate, we are cutting the unplanned birth rate as well.

    Abortions will not stop because they are illegal, btw, while I do get that you are saying they will be reduced, but then the unplanned birth rate will skyrocket.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    This is such a ridiculous question if you think about it. Of course the government shouldn't pay for women's contraceptives.

    Contraceptives are elective.

    Should the government buy everyone a car too? Should the government pay for everyone's gas?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    In cutting the abortion rate, we are cutting the unplanned birth rate as well.

    Abortions will not stop because they are illegal, btw, while I do get that you are saying they will be reduced, but then the unplanned birth rate will skyrocket.
    That's only if we continue to encourage such bad behavior by throwing money at it.

    People actually did manage to make it out of high school and into financially secure permanent relationships before having children before the government got involved. The handful who didn't or who became single parents when a spouse died managed to find employment and take care of their children without the government.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    That's only if we continue to encourage such bad behavior by throwing money at it.

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    What is your suggestion?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Well if taxes are already going to pay for women to have children they can't afford, I'd rather pay a little less and cover something that prevents that!

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