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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    Paying for a kid to go to school costs about $20k/year. Locking someone up in prison costs about $40k/year. No clue how much food stamps, housing assistance, or child/family services cost, but they ain't cheap.

    Paying for contraceptives costs...what, $500/year, at most?

    Those are just the direct costs of someone having a kid. We can't even quantify the indirect costs unwanted kids have on the parents, how they can stop them from having a brighter future and becoming more productive citizens. (Exceptions exist, but the majority will be bogged down by their unwanted kid and live, less productively, in poverty.)


    As I've said before:
    You'd have to be an idiot to ignore the costs to society of NOT paying for contraceptives, and a hypocrite for then complaining of people being an irresponsible and unproductive burden on society when you shirk responsibility for choosing to deny them a cost effective means of avoiding that situation.
    This is pretty much how I see it in a nutshell. It will cost me far less if people are having fewer children and are more likely to have children when they are ready and are in a stable point in their lives.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I agree with everything but this. We should be doing everything we can to encourage people who are married and financially stable to have more children, and the reversals are far far more expensive than the initial procedures. Paying for reversals not only encourages people to get the procedure done in the first place, but it allows people to reverse it when the time is right.

    WHAT????????

    We do not need more people in this world.

    Rather than pay for reversal of a surgical procedure, those people could adopt.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I swear we did a thread just like this a few weeks ago and it came out with a resounding no.

    In any case, I agree with how that turned out as people should be paying for what they need on their own and taxes should be for the protection of our rights and liberties.
    Yes. My rghts and libertes are more protected when women can get the inexpensive, or free BC pills even if my taxes pay for them. Yup, a practical solution.

    note: I'm assuming that a woman having sex w/o bc is bad behavior, i.e. if you don't have the money for BC pills stay away form men. Sure.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Being on contraceptives is responsible behavior in my book. Having sex without protecting yourself from unwanted pregnancy is bad behavior.
    True. We also know that this happens all the time. Do we want those people who can't act responsibly to keep having more and more babies who will also be taught those same behaviors from those irresponsible parents?

    I don't.


    Birth control is far cheaper, and far better for the country than the alternative.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Birth control pills are a doctor prescribed treatment. Although they're called "birth control pills", they are used to treat a variety of conditions in addition to pregnancy prevention.

    As has been mentioned previously, are we really going have issues with funding pregnancy prevention at $20 a months when the alternative is possibly food stamps, wic, welfare, AFDC, Medicaid, etc. totaling into the tens of thousands? That's not to mention educational costs and the higher likelihood of societal problems kids and then adults from single parents homes are at risk of. Ths IMHO is a prime example of partisan teamism where people without thinking through the issues thoroughly jump on their teams agenda.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Any woman who qualifies for medical assistance should be able to get birth control under that insurance. If we ever managed to join the developed world and have a single-payer system, birth control should be covered on that as well.

    Using contraception is not "bad behavior," and the mind-blowing degree of ignorance it requires for someone to think that is just so beyond me I can't even comprehend it. Using contraception is good, responsible behavior.
    What I don't understand is why in America does everything have to be all or nothing? Why do we either all have to pay for birth control or none of us?

    If it's going to be done by a government healthcare, why not have an opt-out ability, so those who do not wish to pay for birth control won't have to, but also won't be able to receive the benefits.

    If it's going to be done by private healthcare, some insurance providers will cover it, and some won't. The ones that do cover it will get substantially more business than those who don't, making it financially viable for them.

    Hell, there could even be an opt-out ability in private health care.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Pregnancy is not a disease that needs to be prevented or treated, and chemical contraceptives do precisely zero to prevent STD's.

    From a public health standpoint, the only form of birth control that can be rationally justified is condoms. Anything else ought to be paid for out of pocket.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    Iíll pay for your contraception ladies if Iím the one helping you use them.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    I dispute the premise of this thread. Both a man and woman are necessary for procreation, therefore contraceptives are as much about precluding conception for men as they are for women.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
    If we want to encourage personal responsibility we should be covering contraception, not making it more difficult to obtain. How in the world does increasing access to birth control enable bad behavior? Do you think sex is bad behavior?
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