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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I think it means "don't have sex unless you can afford the preventative tools, or are prepared for the consequences."
    Yea. It's so simple. But, please explain: How does a women not have sex? I know only one way that works in in all situations that poor women find themselves in. Can you guess what it is?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yea. It's so simple. But, please explain: How does a women not have sex? I know only one way that works in in all situations that poor women find themselves in. Can you guess what it is?
    I have no idea. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say to themselves, "Hmm, if I have sex without protection, there's a chance I could get pregnant. Can I afford a baby? No. Can I afford a condom? No. Guess I'm not having sex!" If they do and they get pregnant, they deserve it. I have no time for people with no common sense. People can very easily keep their legs closed. Remember, it's a choice to have sex. It's a choice to do so with or without protection. It is nobody else's fault but your own if you get yourself pregnant and there is no reason I should have to pay for your choices.

    Edit: It's no one else's fault but your own to allow someone to get you pregnant. Of course the male counterpart is required, but you can make them wear a condom.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post

    Your argument about taxpayers is invalid. They reside within the 47% of people who don't pay taxes. As with people who mooch the system, people who make money and pay taxes who also need welfare are also in the minority. The country is only spending money on that 47%, not making any.
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    I disagree.

    47% might not pay income tax but most do pay taxes.

    Most low- and moderate-income seniors owe no income tax but most pay state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes and property taxes.

    Almost all low income working people most pay state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes . They also pay payroll taxes.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I think it means "don't have sex unless you can afford the preventative tools, or are prepared for the consequences".

    Your argument about taxpayers is invalid. They reside within the 47% of people who don't pay taxes. As with people who mooch the system, people who make money and pay taxes who also need welfare are also in the minority. The country is only spending money on that 47%, not making any.

    It's not that I want to subject people to less than desirable circumstances, it's that I want people to take responsibility for themselves. Show them that there are real, negative consequences for irresponsibility (financially and sexually) so that they're afraid to be put in that position. This all encompassing safety net we've developed removes that fear and people stop caring if they fall into poverty. 12 million more people are on social care programs now than there were 4 years ago. We can attribute most of that to the economy, but there are those that simply say, "well I can get something for free, so why not?".
    So you want to ensure that more "moochers" are born or aborted? Because that's what is going on. When a woman has a child she is not prepared to have, the likelihood of her and her child ending up on welfare and WIC are very high. So is it better to provide low or no cost birth control, or continue to have to provide a much larger safety net?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061023578

    According to a 2011 study from the Guttmacher Institute, unplanned pregnancies costs the United States a conservatively estimated $11 billion per year. According to a 2011 study from the Guttmacher Institute, unplanned pregnancies costs the United States a conservatively estimated $11 billion per year.
    We have to do something to address that.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    If it is the government paying for the contraceptives, what if the government decides that it wants the manner of contraceptives to be sterilization?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If it is the government paying for the contraceptives, what if the government decides that it wants the manner of contraceptives to be sterilization?
    Then only those who want to be sterilized will take part. No one is saying the government should force birth control on anyone. That is not the question proposed by the OP.

    EDIT: And that would be a poorly used option, failing to address the problem in any significant manner.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If it is the government paying for the contraceptives, what if the government decides that it wants the manner of contraceptives to be sterilization?
    So the government wants to spend more money than the pill would cost? Why? But, if the woman would want it I would have the government go for it since I think it would save us, the taxpayer, money in the long run. So I guess we agree?

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If it is the government paying for the contraceptives, what if the government decides that it wants the manner of contraceptives to be sterilization?
    The government is NOT forcing anyone to use contraceptives.
    THe idea is that contraceptives will be avaialible with no co pay for those who wish to use them.

    If the government offered sterization with no co pay then I guess the adults who want to sterilized could opt to be sterilized.
    It is their choice NO ONE is forcing them to be sterilized.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    So you want to ensure that more "moochers" are born or aborted? Because that's what is going on. When a woman has a child she is not prepared to have, the likelihood of her and her child ending up on welfare and WIC are very high. So is it better to provide low or no cost birth control, or continue to have to provide a much larger safety net?

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    We have to do something to address that.
    There are a few parts to this. No, I don't want more moochers being born but not through the availability of free contraceptives. The argument has been made before, they're cheap, they can buy their own. Just because it's available doesn't mean they'll be used either. The second part is to tighten up on who's eligible for those programs. I don't think it's better to provide low/no cost healthcare, I think it would be better to hold the people who claim they need that stuff accountable for their actions. It is IRRESPONSIBLE to bring a baby into poverty. If you can't afford one, don't have one. Use your brain before going crazy. We need to get people off dependency, not reinforce it. Accidents as a result of not using protection is no excuse. If a condom breaks, well that sucks but at least they tried. People that simply forgo protection who get pregnant deserve what they get. It's unfortunate, but people need a kick in the ass to get them moving again, not a warm cup of milk and a pat on the wrist saying "don't do that again okay sweetie".
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I have no idea. ....
    Edit: It's no one else's fault but your own to allow someone to get you pregnant. Of course the male counterpart is required, but you can make them wear a condom.
    Yes, you have no idea. Many women aren't in a situation where they canít say no and keep out of serious trouble. One form of serious trouble is being kicked out on the street and there are many more. Again, many women are simply in a position where they can't safely say 'NO!" But, you could say it's their fault for getting in such a situation. It's always the woman's fault. Some theocracies have a solution for that, are you suggesting it too?

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