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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What are the numbers - that 12-15% of the population is without healthcare coverage of any type . . . leaving the remaining 85 - 88% covered. 85-88% of the country is rich? Hardly the case.

    You're building a strawman out of false assumptions.
    No, most of the country has healthcare which covers the cost (to a point) of prescriptions. Mine does and I'm a college student. Not rich at all. Only the richest people in the country, the 1% can pay for healthcare without the need of an insurance company to support them.

    Obamacare is going to be providing the lower 12-15% you mentioned. You must not have read my statement thoroughly enough. MOST of the country has insurance, but only the richest people can afford to pay for healthcare without insurance. The rest pay for the insurance themselves, not the state or the federal gov. Obamacare will pick up what's left.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    If you go around sleeping with a bunch of different people just for fun, you're a slut.
    That is just your opinion.

    Here is a good Youtube video by a 13 year old girl who tells why it is wrong to call girls/women SLUTS.

    Slut Shaming: 13-Year-Old Explains Why It's Wrong In YouTube Video
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    That is just your opinion.

    Here is a good Youtube video by a 13 year old girl who tells why it is wrong to call girls/women SLUTS.

    Slut Shaming: 13-Year-Old Explains Why It's Wrong In YouTube Video
    If not a slut, then what is it that I defined? I'm pretty sure by today's standards a slut closely resembles what I described.

    Also, her definition of a slut said nothing about the number of people which said person sleeps with, only the character by which that person can be described.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    No, most of the country has healthcare which covers the cost (to a point) of prescriptions. Mine does and I'm a college student. Not rich at all. Only the richest people in the country, the 1% can pay for healthcare without the need of an insurance company to support them.

    Obamacare is going to be providing the lower 12-15% you mentioned. You must not have read my statement thoroughly enough. MOST of the country has insurance, but only the richest people can afford to pay for healthcare without insurance. The rest pay for the insurance themselves, not the state or the federal gov. Obamacare will pick up what's left.
    So what point are you trying to make - If most people HAVE insurance . . . and only a small % don't even need healthcare to cover their medical expenses.

    So what's your issue - what was your point. If someone has insurance they can go to a healthcare professional nd seek out adequate care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Because everything you mentioned requires some sort of healthcare professional that only the richest people in the country could afford without insurance. And people who go to those places generally have insurance (not counting emergency room scandals) paid for by themselves, not everyone else.
    I guess I don't get how that /\ relates to the post you first responded to \/

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why is reproductive health an individual responsibility - but nothing else is?

    Surgeries, dental care, neuropsych, psych meds, physical and psych therapy, even some types of cessation care, pain relief, antibacterial efforts, hospital stays and emergency room visits (even the stupid ones from someone being a total idiot like when my husband was 17 and he fell off the cab of a moving truck), broken bones . . .etc.

    But having a child or not having a child - the most extreme life altering path that could ever be taken because it's creating a new life that's entirely dependent on the parents for countless years . . . that is nothing but a personal 'problem'

    And why just reproductive care being an individual responsibility - we cover all things related to pregnancy itself. Even DNC if the mother miscarries. Prenatal vitamins, pap smears, sonograms, urine testing, glucose screening, diabetes treatments, nutritional supplements, therapy for those who have odd cravings, Lamaze is even covered by some insurance companies.

    You're dumbing it down to being like diapers and formula (which some are covered if it's of a special-nature)
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    This entire thread is predicated on the idea that having sex without the specific intent to reproduce is "bad behavior" or "irresponsible". That's a viewpoint that I just cannot get behind. I can't see how adopting that viewpoint or enacting policy as if it were universally universally adopted helps society in any way. Sex isn't a bad thing. People who have sex, for whatever reasons they like, are not bad people. The idea that a person needs to "take responsibility" for sex by courting the risk of unintended pregnancy is just weird. We should absolutely embrace technological innovations that can prevent unintended pregnancy. And we should embrace them wholeheartedly, including distributing them as much as possible. The idea makes about as much sense as making people take responsibility for the dangers of car travel by not wearing seatbelts. We invent these things to make us safer. Do seatbelts make us more reckless drivers? Do air traffic controllers inspire our pilots to fly without care? Do helmets make kids ride their bikes like they're Evel Kneivel? Of course not. People just don't do that. We use birth control out of a desire to be safer, not out of some pathological need to be as reckless as we can.

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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Octomom. They don't care if they can support a child. If anything, they'll use it to get the tax credits on their return. People need to be RESPONSIBLE for themselves, not leech the system for a handout that gets you out of trouble whenever you like.
    I agree - but how many mothers are really LIKE her? Not many - most people are not like that.

    The average welfare recipient is on it temporarily - and for a short period.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So what point are you trying to make - If most people HAVE insurance . . . and only a small % don't even need healthcare to cover their medical expenses.

    So what's your issue - what was your point. If someone has insurance they can go to a healthcare professional nd seek out adequate care.

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    I guess I don't get how that /\ relates to the post you first responded to \/
    Your second paragraph lists things that people would normally use insurance to pay for and as I said, only the richest people in the country would be able to do so without insurance. What I'm saying is that those things require a healthcare professional to be properly addressed and cared for which costs a lot of money, hence the need for insurance. The use of a contraceptive (birth control prescriptions omitted) does not require some professional expertise, nor is it expensive. My complaint is why should I have to pay for it? Why should anyone else have to pay for it for the 12-15% who would be supposedly covered by this if it were amended to Obamacare? It's not my responsibility to bail someone out for their decision to have unprotected sex and doing so would reinforce that it's okay for them to do so. Entitlement and lack of responsibility are two ideologies we do not need spreading any further.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree - but how many mothers are really LIKE her? Not many - most people are not like that.

    The average welfare recipient is on it temporarily - and for a short period.
    I hate to use an anecdotal reference, but I see plently of them at walmart. That said, I don't know anything about their current living situation, I can only judge by their character and their appearance, which I know is flimsy to go on. Generally speaking though, successful people don't dress trashy.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    If not a slut, then what is it that I defined? I'm pretty sure by today's standards a slut closely resembles what I described.

    Also, her definition of a slut said nothing about the number of people which said person sleeps with, only the character by which that person can be described.
    If you listen to the video she says:


    Anyway, if you’ve given your consent, if you’re emotionally and physically ready for it, if you’re using proper protection, and if you feel safe and comfortable with your partner, then sex is good.

    It is nobody’s business but your own how many people you’re having sex with, or how much sex you have, and you don’t deserve to be hated on for being sexually active with more than one partner.
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    Re: Should the country pay for women's contraceptives?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If you listen to the video she says:
    You're right, it is none of my business but I somehow manage to find out about it. These people who are labelled sluts are labeled as such because they don't usually keep it to themselves, or it gets out by the other person. And if you do dress revealing, you're going to get attention. That, after all, is the purpose of dressing in that manner.

    That also wasn't part of her definition, which is what I stated when she defined "slut shaming".

    But whatever, this is getting derailed.
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