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Would you support a male contraceptive?

Would you support male contraceptives?

  • Yes, I would support male contraceptives?

    Votes: 26 89.7%
  • No, I wouldn't support male contraceptives?

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    29

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Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?
 
I support condoms.
Abstinence.
Saying no.
The Vasectomy
And even the new Risug though it needs a lot more testing.

So - it sucks that men have less options - but that's because it's harder to control and inhibit sperm production or delivery than it is to inhibit hormonal reactions and triggers which is what the female system is centered around.

And whatever else you said - it honestly makes little sense. Are you suggesting that controlling our lives centers around the legalization of birth control (it was around long before it was legal in the US)

And being a feminist doesn't mean I got rid of my want of being in a relationship - I am married. So I don't follow what you meant by that.

And I don't think that using birth control on behalf of a man is going to make him 'less dependent' (or whatever you're trying to say) on women.

If anything - birth control availability has made relationships more casual, frequent and less serious and frightening.

One thing that does bother me a lot is the suggestion that men can't be 'relied on' to take 'a pill' (if it existed) - I find that insulting. As if women are always reliable? How many pregnancies happen because she forgot her pill a few times a week - or because she couldn't figure out how to actually use the diaphragm correctly?
 
Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?

I think it's funny you have no idea what feminism means.
 
If it can be proven that the available methods are quickly reversible, safe, effective, and produce few risky side effects, then yes.

I would say, however, that "sexual freedom" is perfectly achievable without a chemical contraceptive, and chemical contraceptives should be used with the understanding that you still need a barrier to protect yourself from the plethora of STDs out there.
 
I would pretty much leave that decision up to men. If they had hormonal effects, similar to the way BC has on women, I would definitely be cautious (if I were a man). Interferring too much with male hormone production and release could have some pretty serious consequences imo. I guess it depends on the mode of action.
 
I would pretty much leave that decision up to men. If they had hormonal effects, similar to the way BC has on women, I would definitely be cautious (if I were a man). Interferring too much with male hormone production and release could have some pretty serious consequences imo. I guess it depends on the mode of action.

Yes, and on that note - I swear they don't pay enough attention to the negative side effects that come from women taking said contraception. I was prescribed several different types and very little was dedicated to discussing the negative aspects so I can make a fully informed decision.

Drs tend to just gloss that over - nevermind that if it alters chemical and hormonal balance it can really **** your head up.
 
Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?

1. This is not the first time women could command their own lives.

2. Feminism has nothing to do with "getting rid of men." What kind of trash propaganda are you reading?

3. Contraception is not about "getting away" from the opposite sex.

4. Of course I support contraception for men. It's sad that, in 2012, there's still nothing but condoms and vasectomies.
 
I would absolutely support male contraceptives. But if we really want to allow men to control their own reproductive destinies, we need to put an end to the coercive laws that make men responsible for the reproductive decisions of women.
 
4. Of course I support contraception for men. It's sad that, in 2012, there's still nothing but condoms and vasectomies.

There's the temporary plastic clip vasectomies. Don't know why those aren't more popular.
 
Yes, and on that note - I swear they don't pay enough attention to the negative side effects that come from women taking said contraception. I was prescribed several different types and very little was dedicated to discussing the negative aspects so I can make a fully informed decision.

Drs tend to just gloss that over - nevermind that if it alters chemical and hormonal balance it can really **** your head up.

Imo, since men have one primary sex hormone, it would tend to make me even more cautious than I am with the BC issue. As for doctors, they realize how BC works, but I'm not sure they understand the extent to which hormonal imbalances cause mental and emotional disturbances.
 
There's the temporary plastic clip vasectomies. Don't know why those aren't more popular.

Because they're only theoretically reversible. They may cause enough scarring that even when removed, he remains sterile. Also, they are somewhat less effective than traditional vasectomies.
 
Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?

I have no clue what you post is about lol

but of course Id support male birth control and they are already working on some and have some.
 
And whatever else you said - it honestly makes little sense. Are you suggesting that controlling our lives centers around the legalization of birth control (it was around long before it was legal in the US)

And being a feminist doesn't mean I got rid of my want of being in a relationship - I am married. So I don't follow what you meant by that.

And I don't think that using birth control on behalf of a man is going to make him 'less dependent' (or whatever you're trying to say) on women.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he was essentially speaking more about freedom from pregnancy and parenthood, not from women per say. Just reproductive choice and safeguard. This has already been accomplished for women, not just by the development and availability of better birth control, but also by the legalization of abortion. Women no longer need to be concerned about accidentally getting pregnant and becoming trapped in that pregnancy, having the rest of their lives completely altered with no say in the matter. Today, they can control (for the most part) when and if a pregnancy occurs through use of highly effective birth control, and in the case of accidental pregnancy, there is an avenue through which they can opt out of the life-altering responsibility it carries with it.

Men, on the other hand, have little or none of that same control. There is really only one method of birth control available to men (setting aside abstinence for obvious reasons), and that is the condom. The male condom in it's typical use has a failure rate of 15-18%. That's pretty significant, and significantly higher than birth control pills. That makes men somewhat dependent on their partners because we have to trust that they are properly using their birth control method(s) to increase our safety. This becomes even more of an issue for men within the confines of a committed relationship because usually both partners wish to stop using such an obtrusive method when they are having sex exclusively with one another. That makes men entirely dependent on their partner since there is no unobtrusive male contraceptive, like a pill. All he can do is trust her to take hers. And most importantly, in the event that an unwanted pregnancy does take place, the man has no say whatsoever in what happens next. Men are not afforded an avenue of escape from that responsibility the way women are, so he is completely powerless in the matter. His entire future, or at least the next 20 years of his life, now lie in the hands of his female partner.

I'm pretty sure that's what the OP meant when he talked about dependence.

And to answer the OP, of course I'd support it, and I'd take it. Until I was ready to knock someone up, that is.
 
I would absolutely support male contraceptives. But if we really want to allow men to control their own reproductive destinies, we need to put an end to the coercive laws that make men responsible for the reproductive decisions of women.
Absolutely. I wish people would talk about this more. This should be a huge part of the abortion debate, at the very least.
 
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he was essentially speaking more about freedom from pregnancy and parenthood, not from women per say. Just reproductive choice and safeguard. This has already been accomplished for women, not just by the development and availability of better birth control, but also by the legalization of abortion. Women no longer need to be concerned about accidentally getting pregnant and becoming trapped in that pregnancy, having the rest of their lives completely altered with no say in the matter. Today, they can control (for the most part) when and if a pregnancy occurs through use of highly effective birth control, and in the case of accidental pregnancy, there is an avenue through which they can opt out of the life-altering responsibility it carries with it.

Men, on the other hand, have little or none of that same control. There is really only one method of birth control available to men (setting aside abstinence for obvious reasons), and that is the condom. The male condom in it's typical use has a failure rate of 15-18%. That's pretty significant, and significantly higher than birth control pills. That makes men somewhat dependent on their partners because we have to trust that they are properly using their birth control method(s) to increase our safety. This becomes even more of an issue for men within the confines of a committed relationship because usually both partners wish to stop using such an obtrusive method when they are having sex exclusively with one another. That makes men entirely dependent on their partner since there is no unobtrusive male contraceptive, like a pill. All he can do is trust her to take hers. And most importantly, in the event that an unwanted pregnancy does take place, the man has no say whatsoever in what happens next. Men are not afforded an avenue of escape from that responsibility the way women are, so he is completely powerless in the matter. His entire future, or at least the next 20 years of his life, now lie in the hands of his female partner.

I'm pretty sure that's what the OP meant when he talked about dependence.

And to answer the OP, of course I'd support it, and I'd take it. Until I was ready to knock someone up, that is.

Ah - ok . . .thanks. Because i wasn't quite sure what he was getting at.

I think men just really need to accept that it's the risk they take when they have sex. Well - everyone needs to understand that. But it's problematic (not being able to secure abortion per being the male) because the issue is that it's happening with her body - and of course others cannot force one to undergo a medical procedure.

When nature developed beings that were male and female things were just off that way from the start - the guys have less say and the women have more misery that goes with it.

Nothing is going to change that - that's just nature. . . no pill or legislation is going to equal out that perceived imbalance. . . because believe me - I'd be happy to not have to be the bearer of the children around here. That would have been good to go without in my life.
 
I would absolutely support male contraceptives. But if we really want to allow men to control their own reproductive destinies, we need to put an end to the coercive laws that make men responsible for the reproductive decisions of women.

Only if we up the amount and type of support given to the increased number of single moms would I consider it.

But honestly - our society needs to just put a lot more emphasis on stressign the importance of making wise preventative decisions - and talking about it. A conversation like 'hey - if we're going ot have sex we need to talk about what happens if you end up pregnant'

You know - some men have proof of said discussions in which she said 'yes - I would want to abort' and he agreed. . . and eventually she ended up pregnant - and did not abort - and he was able to remove himself from support-requirements because she changed her mind.

:shrug: I don't see what's wrong with that - ****ty to the kid but hey. . . so is having to be stuck with a parent who doesn't want you.
 
I would absolutely support male contraceptives. But if we really want to allow men to control their own reproductive destinies, we need to put an end to the coercive laws that make men responsible for the reproductive decisions of women.

Absolutely. I wish people would talk about this more. This should be a huge part of the abortion debate, at the very least.

I completely agree. If women have complete ownership over their reproductive process -- as they should -- then making men responsible for their decisions is anti-feminist, and anti-man.

In the absence of a mutual decision confirmed as such by both parties about whatever the woman decides to do with the pregnancy, the man should be able to abdicate himself from responsibility for said decision.

It is incredibly hypocritical to claim that women should be free to control their bodies, but men should have their finances or lifestyle controlled because of someone else's decision. It paints men's freedom as less important, and it also paints women as incapable of handling their own freedoms.

Honestly, I'd be terrified if I were a man. Getting fixed might have been a little easier, but nothing is perfect. I make sure to tell my partners from the outset of any sexual relationship that I have already decided what I would do, he can't change my mind, and he has no responsibility to do anything should that ever happen. He accepts that and stays, or doesn't and leaves. Since he can't decide what to do after the fact, I give him an opportunity to decide before the fact.
 
Would this new male contraceptive have at least the alcohol content of old school cough syrup?
 
If it is safe and healthy then I support it.
 
Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?
It's called a condom... or pulling out. Besides, one more pill in my regimen and I'll be using an oil filter for a liver.
 
I would absolutely support male contraceptives. But if we really want to allow men to control their own reproductive destinies, we need to put an end to the coercive laws that make men responsible for the reproductive decisions of women.

you mean like men could not use condoms before if they did not want to reproduce, or god forbid not have sex?

If they would do either of those two things the chance of being responsible for reproduction would be very very small
 
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