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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Speaking of sexual assault. . . why is it that when two people are drunk and have sex that, when legally viewed, the female is considered unable to consent because she was drunk. . . but he WAS able to consent and even commit a heinous crime even though he was drunk, too?

    How is it that she can't consent - but he can? And that the male is always considered to having raped the female but she never rapes him? Aren't they then raping each other?

    What's the logic? I know - it doesn't belong in this thread but someone's comment made me think of it.
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by NitroHangover View Post
    Then you have to say the same thing to her when she tries to have an abortion.
    Certainly do, and because she is the one pregnant, she has a choice a man does not. That is because of biology
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    I don't know what Mr. Propaine and S+M are arguing about... S+M is usually right about these things, though. The whole thing about consequences for sex... That shows us a lot of problems. First, that having a child is something that is considered a consequence. Having a child is a big thing. It should never be taken lightly. It changes your life, forever. It should never be something that happens by accident. We need to embrace all technological advancements that can bring our reproduction under our control, be it contraceptives, abortion, or whatever else.

    As to the OP, the scientific idea of something like a male pill or patch or whatever... totally for it. I don't want any accidental babies. But the whole war between the sexes stuff he espouses... it's kinda creepy. I don't know about him, but I like women. Women are fun. And fun for plenty of things besides sex, too.* The only men who need to hide themselves away from women and gain "independence" from them are cowards who can't handle things they can't control. And who are probably inadequate in some form of another and can't really handle that either. But I'm all for better birth control.

    *Sammich making, for example. ^_^

    Speaking of consequences and sammich making entities... S+M... we're still waiting eagerly for your game! I've been staring at the dude and the hot couple he's gonna shoot for a long time now. I'm getting S+M blueballs...
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Speaking of consequences and sammich making entities... S+M... we're still waiting eagerly for your game! I've been staring at the dude and the hot couple he's gonna shoot for a long time now. I'm getting S+M blueballs...
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    Maybe I should take it down.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by NitroHangover View Post
    Then you have to say the same thing to her when she tries to have an abortion.
    The hangup is still the fact that it's affecting one person's body and not the other person's body. It just skews things. However much I'd love 100% equality - in the end we're still bound by various sex-traits.
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So you accept that biologically men and women when it comes to reproduction are different,

    Now just how do you think biology should effect reproductive rights?
    I sure do. Women can give birth and men can not do that by the natural order. Therefore, she is responsible for bringing the child in the world and the man has nothing at all to do with it. This perfectly reflects on the rights of both parties. The responsibility you are talking about is created from LAW, not the natural order.

    Your problem is you carelessly put things together in whatever clumsy way you desire and it leaves much to be desired and many mistakes in basic logic.
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Certainly do, and because she is the one pregnant, she has a choice a man does not. That is because of biology
    Again (since you ignored it last time), abortion and pregnancy and parenthood are not just about what happens over the next 9 months. They are about what happens over the next 20-40 years.

    Look, I would agree with you if abortion were only legal for biological reasons. Dangerous health complications with the pregnancy, for example. If that were the only reason a woman was allowed to have an abortion, then I'd agree that that should be her choice and the man should have no such choice (obviously) because he does not get pregnant and that is not a concern for him. But that is not the case. Women are legally allowed to abort for any reason they want, even if it has nothing at all to do with biology or health or the next 9 months. They are allowed to abort because they don't make enough money, don't want their social life affected, don't want the responsibility... I could go on forever. It could be anything at all, or nothing. These are purely convenience issues, and have nothing to do with biology or health. They are not about pregnancy; they are about parenthood.

    If a woman is legally allowed to opt out for these types of reasons, then so should a man. Afterall, these issues are not unique to women just because they carry the baby. They equally apply to both people. So, then, should the right to opt out because of them.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Since the 20th century introduction of female contraceptives, women are for the 1st time capable of commanding their own lives. (Even getting rid of men for their happiness, in extreme cases, such as feminism.) We men could achieve the same independence from women (and ourselves) if we had a similar contraceptive. I propose an applied research that results in such individual control over fertility, libido, and social imperatives, as the one that women gain out of the existing female products. Would you support such a development?
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I sure do. Women can give birth and men can not do that by the natural order. Therefore, she is responsible for bringing the child in the world and the man has nothing at all to do with it. This perfectly reflects on the rights of both parties. The responsibility you are talking about is created from LAW, not the natural order.

    Your problem is you carelessly put things together in whatever clumsy way you desire and it leaves much to be desired and many mistakes in basic logic.
    That's true. If his argument is all about biology and the natural order, then he's totally inconsistent. I mean, a man has no biological obligation to pay child support. He can just walk away. It's the law that makes these rules. Not biology.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The hangup is still the fact that it's affecting one person's body and not the other person's body. It just skews things. However much I'd love 100% equality - in the end we're still bound by various sex-traits.
    Maybe not, but it certainly affects his well-being and future if he is forced to pay for her decision, or some other form of compensation.

    She gets to do whatever she wants with her body. No one is proposing to limit what she can do with her body. All we're saying is that she shouldn't get to do whatever she wants with a man's life.

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