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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And they are not

    If the man does not want the possibility of becoming a parent and have zero risk of that occuring he should not have sex

    If he decides to have sex, he accepts the possibility that he will become a father in 9 or so months time. Unless of course if he was raped
    This entire responsibility argument of yours is completely ass backwards. Just sayin'

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And they are not

    If the man does not want the possibility of becoming a parent and have zero risk of that occuring he should not have sex

    If he decides to have sex, he accepts the possibility that he will become a father in 9 or so months time. Unless of course if he was raped
    I don't live in the fantasy land where people just never have sex unless they want to become parents. I live in reality.

    I also don't live in the Puritanical dictatorship where the only purpose of sex is breeding, and consent to sex is consent to parenting. It's not. Not any more than consent to driving is consent to being hit by a drunk driver.

    The law should not be able to rule a man's life simply because he had sex.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If he decides to have sex, he accepts the possibility that he will become a father in 9 or so months time. Unless of course if he was raped
    Are you pro-choice? Because our society and our laws do not accept that logic when it is applied to women. If you accept the pro-choice logic as applied to women, you should also accept it as applied to men.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Are you pro-choice? Because our society and our laws do not accept that logic when it is applied to women. If you accept the pro-choice logic as applied to women, you should also accept it as applied to men.
    It's "well then she should have kept her slutty legs shut" in reverse. Ugh. Can we just stop that?

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I think men just really need to accept that it's the risk they take when they have sex.
    But it's problematic (not being able to secure abortion per being the male) because the issue is that it's happening with her body - and of course others cannot force one to undergo a medical procedure.

    When nature developed beings that were male and female things were just off that way from the start - the guys have less say and the women have more misery that goes with it.

    Nothing is going to change that - that's just nature. . . no pill or legislation is going to equal out that perceived imbalance. . . because believe me - I'd be happy to not have to be the bearer of the children around here. That would have been good to go without in my life.
    I'm not going to get into all this stuff in depth because this is just gonna turn into yet another endless abortion thread, lol.

    But do I really need to point out that everything you just said ("That's just the risk you take when you have sex", "Nature made us a certain way and we are bound by it") are every bit as legitimate, and illegitimate, when applied to women and abortion?

    The only difference is:
    But it's problematic (not being able to secure abortion per being the male) because the issue is that it's happening with her body - and of course others cannot force one to undergo a medical procedure.
    Well I am not talking about men being allowed to force a woman to have an abortion. Let's get that out of the way. I wouldn't support that. I'm talking about having a legal way for men to abdicate their rights and responsibility for the pregnancy and the child, once any decision about the pregnancy and child is removed from him completely.

    Now, to the bolded part, yes, it is her body. And If women were only allowed to have abortions based on legitimate bodily and health reasons, such as a life-threatening complication with the pregnancy, then I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. Women can have abortions, and in doing so abdicate their responsibility, for any reason they choose. It doesn't have to have anything to do with their body or health. It can be as simple as the fact that they just aren't ready to face the responsibility yet. So again, if women can legally opt out for convenience reasons, men should legally be able to as well. Fair is fair. The man opting out doesn't take any of her choice away. She would just need to make her choice given this new information.
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Are you pro-choice? Because our society and our laws do not accept that logic when it is applied to women. If you accept the pro-choice logic as applied to women, you should also accept it as applied to men.
    I certainly am pro choice

    I fully support any man going and getting an abortion for any pregnancy they somehow might have
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I completely agree. If women have complete ownership over their reproductive process -- as they should -- then making men responsible for their decisions is anti-feminist, and anti-man.

    In the absence of a mutual decision confirmed as such by both parties about whatever the woman decides to do with the pregnancy, the man should be able to abdicate himself from responsibility for said decision.

    It is incredibly hypocritical to claim that women should be free to control their bodies, but men should have their finances or lifestyle controlled because of someone else's decision. It paints men's freedom as less important, and it also paints women as incapable of handling their own freedoms.

    Honestly, I'd be terrified if I were a man. Getting fixed might have been a little easier, but nothing is perfect. I make sure to tell my partners from the outset of any sexual relationship that I have already decided what I would do, he can't change my mind, and he has no responsibility to do anything should that ever happen. He accepts that and stays, or doesn't and leaves. Since he can't decide what to do after the fact, I give him an opportunity to decide before the fact.
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It's "well then she should have kept her slutty legs shut" in reverse. Ugh. Can we just stop that?
    No you are right if she did not want to get pregnant she should have kept her legs shut


    But because of BIOLOGY she has an option to end the pregnancy before it comes to term
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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know - some men have proof of said discussions in which she said 'yes - I would want to abort' and he agreed. . . and eventually she ended up pregnant - and did not abort - and he was able to remove himself from support-requirements because she changed her mind.
    Wait, so you mean there are actual cases of this happening? Can you link? Because I am aware of some identical situations, even some where the woman herself, in court, said she did not want the man's support because they'd agreed he wouldn't be responsible, and the court still made him pay, against both their wishes. She actually had to accept his checks each month, cash them, and then give him his money back. Which of course still puts him right back at her mercy. It's that ****ed up.

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    Re: Would you support a male contraceptive?

    I am all for male birth control if it doesn't make my ass fatter...

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