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Thread: Inability to understand love

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Love is a selfless emotion and some people only seem to be able to understand it in the context of what it provides for the person giving the love. Its a baffling stance.
    I'm curious... where do you come about the understanding that love is a selfless emotion?

    as far as objectivism in concerned, Love is an emotional response to virtue.
    the way Ayn explain it is that a selfless man ( altruism) is incapable of love... as emotions are a function of the self... self esteem is the root of love, self esteem is the result of rational egoism, etc etc etc.
    of course, Ayn is the only one to touch on it from that angle either, there are plenty of folks whom have professed things like ' to love another, one must learn to love yourself".. and other related stuff...
    I'm not sure Love is a selfish emotion, or a selfless emotion... and I would be hesitant to claim either one is true.

    In any event, I don't know the truth.. i don't know if there is a truth to the matter
    but I do know objectivism is widely misunderstood, even by self professed objectivists.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Is it possible that the word 'selfish' is being confused with the words 'rational self-interest' ?

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Do you think those people who seem to think that every human motivation are somehow damaged and unable to understand what love actually is? No amount of logic and examples are getting through to these people and I am running out of any other conclusions that make any sense.

    Any alternative explanations out there as to why these people can't understand basic human emotion?

    The whole thing amazes and saddens me
    I wanna know what looooove is...I want you to show mee....
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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    When I first started on this forum, it was a quest to understand conservative thinking. I think I understand it pretty well now, so now I am trying to understand another group of people.
    Are you trying to understand the people, or are you trying to underst their reasoning? I hope you mean the latter, you won't get far with the former if you don't.

    Altruism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Selfishness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Game theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Selfishness — Ayn*Rand Lexicon
    The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word “selfishness” is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual “package-deal,” which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind. In popular usage, the word “selfishness” is a synonym of evil; the image it conjures is of a murderous brute who tramples over piles of corpses to achieve his own ends, who cares for no living being and pursues nothing but the gratification of the mindless whims of any immediate moment. Yet the exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word “selfishness” is: concern with one’s own interests. This concept does not include a moral evaluation; it does not tell us whether concern with one’s own interests is good or evil; nor does it tell us what constitutes man’s actual interests. It is the task of ethics to answer such questions.
    Of note is that Rand's definition of selfish is not the popular usage definition, nor is it the more precise game theory definition. So if you're rejecting beliefs about "Selfishness" as you do above, but you do not understand all of the defintions in the proper context, you will not be successful at understanding the dilemma.

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