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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Dr. Asperger once said "The delusional idea of a delusion is to try and explain it to the delusional."

    Does this make sense?

    They are there. They think there world is the right one. They will defend that belief as many of us would. Its just there way is not "socially acceptable". The trick is to just quietly ignore them and move on. For people like us this is a very hard thing to do. When I meet someone like that on thiis or any other site I leave myself a message so I don't get caught up. Not perfect but its better than nothing. When someone gets to the obnoxious point I put them on ignore.
    You are probably right. When people are illogical I can't leave it alone until I make sense of it and find the "patterns"

    Its like that bump on your back you can't quite reach, it drives you nuts.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its a reason to the objectivists or the sympathizers of objectivists who believe that any human emotion, including love, is inherently selfish. I simply do not understand why they could some to such a conclusion and I am looking for answers.

    When I first started on this forum, it was a quest to understand conservative thinking. I think I understand it pretty well now, so now I am trying to understand another group of people.
    I think the problem is that most people who think like you failed to distinguish between 'love' and 'lust'. To remedy this, you simply abrogated the latter, made the former all encompassing, and started pointing fingers at 'insensitive' Conservatives.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I think the problem is that most people who think like you failed to distinguish between 'love' and 'lust'. To remedy this, you simply abrogated the latter, made the former all encompassing, and started pointing fingers at 'insensitive' Conservatives.
    You think I confuse love and lust? What leads you to this conclusion? Also, when did I bring conservatives into this?

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I think the problem is that most people who think like you failed to distinguish between 'love' and 'lust'. To remedy this, you simply abrogated the latter, made the former all encompassing, and started pointing fingers at 'insensitive' Conservatives.

    I feel very confident in saying that if Mega has any kind of confusion going on, that ain't it.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    The evolutionary process has resulted in a positive feedback loops that fills the brain with happy juice while performing social bonding with a mate or family member, aka love. That hardly makes love selfish. I get a movie ticket every few times I donate blood, doesn't change that donating blood is right and that I am a every so slightly better person for doing so. The whole concept that you need to suffer in order to truly do good is ridiculous.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its a reason to the objectivists or the sympathizers of objectivists who believe that any human emotion, including love, is inherently selfish. I simply do not understand why they could some to such a conclusion and I am looking for answers.

    When I first started on this forum, it was a quest to understand conservative thinking. I think I understand it pretty well now, so now I am trying to understand another group of people.
    Are you talking about the rejection of the notion of true altruism?

    I ascribe to that philosophy. It isn't a rejection of emotion or good deeds. It's just trying to explain why we do them.

    If you feel nothing when you do this or that, how do you know what's right or wrong, kind or cruel? You don't. That's the problem that sociopaths have.

    So, the fact that we feel good about doing good things, feel good about being loving towards those we care about, is how we know those things are good. Our reaction to them, or "reward," whether it's emotional or tangible, gives us the tip-off that we're doing something positive. Without that "reward," we wouldn't know the difference.

    Therefore, nothing is truly altruistic. But that doesn't mean we're all "selfish" and that love doesn't exist. Our ability to pick up the emotions of others and to feel good when we do good things is how we tell what's good.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Do you think those people who seem to think that every human motivation are somehow damaged and unable to understand what love actually is? No amount of logic and examples are getting through to these people and I am running out of any other conclusions that make any sense.

    Any alternative explanations out there as to why these people can't understand basic human emotion?

    The whole thing amazes and saddens me
    They do understand human emotions, they just don't live dominated by them. Love is one of those things that is different things to different people, and nobody has a market on the meaning of it. I love my family and friends. I would lay down my life for them, but that doesn't mean that I am obligated to lay down my life for someone whom I don't even know.

    It is pretty widely believed that the true beneficiary of giving is to the giver more than he who receives. The person who receives gains goods and/or comfort, but the one who gives gains a sense of having done something good, which is infinitely better for your sense of self-worth.
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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Oh, no, no, no. I can no longer direct you to his posts, the forum no longer exists, but he is very real. He lives on a farm in Texas. Grows his own everything and no matter the evidence or argument, he insisted he was an island, needing one one and nothing from anybody. I briefly crossed paths with someone here like this, but I'm so sorry, I can't remember who it was. We didn't go beyond two posts and replies ad it was over.
    You do know its possible he doesn't need anything from anyone, yes? People can actually survive well without anyone in their lives and do so for their entire lives however long and pleasurable that might be. It might not be a desirable way to live, but it is perfectly possible.

    I don't want to degrade the person from the other forum, he was very earnest in his beliefs, but I do think, he was just out of touch with the concept that one life, touches so many others.
    That is a different argument though. There is difference between self reliance and touching or affecting other lives and the difference is pretty notable.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do know its possible he doesn't need anything from anyone, yes? People can actually survive well without anyone in their lives and do so for their entire lives however long and pleasurable that might be. It might not be a desirable way to live, but it is perfectly possible.

    That is a different argument though. There is difference between self reliance and touching or affecting other lives and the difference is pretty notable.
    Of course, but he insisted that there was nothing in his life that he didn't provide. Well, he drove a truck, on public roads, which he fills up at the gas station. Uses phones and electricity and the internet on a computer he did not build. Just for starters. He could never directly address any of that. Taxes were collected from other people to pay for those roads and others labor provided those services. Doesn't sound like an island to me.

    He did not see how his life was effected by anyone else beyond himself, his wife and daughter. Period. Love is weakness and compassion was selfish.

    Again, accept my description or don't. No worries. Just that I knew this person on the forum for four years. We had several long threads going back and forth and he never, ever deviated from his beliefs.

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    Re: Inability to understand love

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    . I get a movie ticket every few times I donate blood, doesn't change that donating blood is right and that I am a every so slightly better person for doing so. The whole concept that you need to suffer in order to truly do good is ridiculous.
    It's not the movie ticket, but the boost in your concept of self-worth which makes it an act that you consider worthy. We are conditioned to respond to feeling good about ourselves, as a result of what we do for others. Iow, we believe that we should be selfless, thus we try to be.
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