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Women voting, bad idea?

Women voting, bad idea?

  • women voting is a terrible idea

    Votes: 13 14.3%

  • women voting is fine with me

    Votes: 78 85.7%
  • Total voters
    91
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Apparently not, Jerry. :lol: But I don't expect you to come back with any actual reasoning.

Now, are you going to address your statement that women are either married or on welfare, despite all the evidence that women are working and making more than ever?
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I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
 
ab9924 said:
I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
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What you mean by options is societal expectations rather than all that many legal restrictions. Stay-at-home men are becoming more accepted, albeit, it is far from common. I have come to accept that my own desires are to become a professional out in the public world, but I have also come to the conclusion I would likewise want the same in my partner. I'm too wedded to academics, advocacy, and politics to not want that for either of us.
 
ab9924 said:
I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
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I wish that no men wished to have a woman support them, but it's not true. I know a couple of emo guys who want exactly this. Of course, I wouldn't describe them as men as in "real men," but they are male.
 
Higgins86 said:
"One should also be a gun owner and have served a term of service in the military before being allowed to vote"

dont know how more exclusive you can get?
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That doesn't mean military service is the only way to foster national identity, which was your claim. It only means that of all those other ways, military service is the only one I argue should be mandatory.
 
ab9924 said:
I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
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Absolutely untrue. There are literally tens of thousands of "househusbands" in the US, who have chosen to take primary responsibility for raising children because their wives have more lucrative careers, and the husbands prefer spending quality time raising the children. There is only a "sexist divide" between those who are looking for reasons to pigeonhole females into the "housewife/raise children" role and pigeonhole men into the "monetary support/career" role.

The statement that "women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias" is also demonstrably false and demonstrably an unwelcome bias that cannot be supported by verifiable fact.
 
ksu_aviator said:
115 posts and did anyone bother to get the real quote?



What she was trying to say is that women vote their emotion and not their mind (her words, not mine) and that she votes and campaigns to counter act that. She goes on to say every person should vote and be informed. So there's 115 worthless posts for you.
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Go to hell, if you actually believe that mitigates the bile of her remarks, ksu.
 
ksu_aviator said:
So there's 115 worthless posts for you.
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That's the nature of every thread outside The Loft on DP.

Regardless of what OP says, we're going to talk about whatever we want to talk about.
 
ab9924 said:
I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
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Ab9926, I have two stay-at-home dads amongst my friends. One chose it, one was able to see a better life for himself and his family in doing so after the economy deprived him of any chance at meaningful work. One's conservative, one's liberal.

These assumptions you're making just don't hold up IRL.
 
Pinkie said:
Go to hell, if you actually believe that mitigates the bile of her remarks, ksu.
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...implying hell exists....implying you have the authority to send people there even if it did....implying we give a **** about your opinion....
 
ab9924 said:
I would like to point out that although women should still vote even if they are on welfare/married, women do have more options now than men do in life. Women CAN choose to be housewives instead of working, but no man would want to choose to be a househusband. Women's usual "you-missed-a-spot-again" and "why-shall-I-support-a-grown-man" puts a natural sexist divide between women and men. Consequently, women's voting patterns will always be characteristically different, and women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias.
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That's changing. I know a couple "house husbands," as you put it. It works for them.

Personally, I am totally comfortable putting more into a relationship in terms of finances as long as my partner is contributing in other ways, including domestic. Money isn't the only thing that matters in terms of maintaining a life together.

However, I do recognize that there is still a large portion of American society that isn't there yet.

In terms of the way women vote, well, no ****. If you were a woman, would you vote for the party that seems to have a complete monopoly on people like Jarvis DeBarry? When was the last time you heard of a Democrat bemoaning the right of women to vote? When was the last time you heard a Democrat saying women need to return to their domestic roles and leave business to the men? When was the last time you heard a Democrat take a strong anti-choice position? When was the last time you heard a Democrat diminish the seriousness of rape?

There are plenty of complaints to be lobbied at Democrats, but it's blatantly obvious why women lean away from Republicans.
 
Pinkie said:
Ab9926, I have two stay-at-home dads amongst my friends. One chose it, one was able to see a better life for himself and his family in doing so after the economy deprived him of any chance at meaningful work. One's conservative, one's liberal.

These assumptions you're making just don't hold up IRL.
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The problem is not that you have this opinion.

The problem is that you actually think your own personal experience is representative of the nation as a whole.

Additionally, no matter how many of us point out your logical flaw here, you refuse to correct yourself.
 
So which DPers want to eliminate women's suffrage?

Come out, come out, wherever you are -- I'm gonna beat you snotless with a bag full of Susan B. Anthony silver dollars.
 
Jerry said:
I never made such a statement.
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You said unmarried women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they tend to use the government as a surrogate spouse (i.e. welfare).

Now, will you please explain to me what sort of evidence you have for that, in the face of the fact that single women are ever more highly and lucratively employed.
 
Jerry said:
That doesn't mean military service is the only way to foster national identity, which was your claim. It only means that of all those other ways, military service is the only one I argue should be mandatory.
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but your saying that only people that serve or own guns should vote so how can anyone else have a " national identity" if they cant vote?
 
Well sometimes theres no other way to be than uncivil


only a complete bigoted uneducated moron would have a problem with women voting, its sad that we still have people this dumb in america but we do.

I guess without stupid people like that though we might not fully grasp what good people are like.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, what does it mean then?
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And see, you don't know, so since you don't know you should ask instead of pursuing a straw-man for pages.

Welfare is an emergency safety net. A spouse is not a safety net, so a surrogate spouse wouldn't be a safety net, either. You knew or should have known the profound difference.
 
Pinkie said:
So which DPers want to eliminate women's suffrage?

Come out, come out, wherever you are -- I'm gonna beat you snotless with a bag full of Susan B. Anthony silver dollars.
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That might mean we need to make a Frederick Douglass coin to counter-act the race-baiting of Anthony :p
 
Higgins86 said:
but your saying that only people that serve or own guns should vote so how can anyone else have a " national identity" if they cant vote?
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Only people that serve and own guns should vote.

IMO you should be married, and have served, and own a personal firearm. All three at the same time.



And yes, exceptions exist, but they don't pertain to the point at hand because they are exceptions, not the rule.
 
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Jerry said:
And see, you don't know, so since you don't know you should ask instead of pursuing a straw-man for pages.

Welfare is an emergency safety net. A spouse is not a safety net, so a surrogate spouse wouldn't be a safety net, either. You knew or should have known the profound difference.
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You still have not explained what you mean. If we aren't talking about financial independence, what are we talking about?
 
Pinkie said:
Ab9926, I have two stay-at-home dads amongst my friends. One chose it, one was able to see a better life for himself and his family in doing so after the economy deprived him of any chance at meaningful work. One's conservative, one's liberal.

These assumptions you're making just don't hold up IRL.
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At the mercy of their wives, I guess, they are lucky men, who happened to marry the right women.

If this is a 50-50 chance not to work, as national divorce statistics stand at 50 %, at least half of men are still in bigger trouble now than ever. Although I must also say, that the traditional philosophy of "a-man's-salary-is-a-family's-salary" put men on the spot so badly, that many committed suicide when not being able to support their families in 1929. Compared to that, I agree that a wife that kills you is a lot better. The worst thing is divorce.
 
ab9924 said:
At the mercy of their wives, I guess, they are lucky men, who happened to marry the right women.

If this is a 50-50 chance not to work, as national divorce statistics stand at 50 %, at least half of men are still in bigger trouble now than ever. Although I must also say, that the traditional philosophy of "a-man's-salary-is-a-family's-salary" put men on the spot so badly, that many committed suicide when not being able to support their families in 1929. Compared to that, I agree that a wife that kills you is a lot better. The worst thing is divorce.
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Ab9926, in my life I have watched gender roles stiffen and relax, and then do it again. Some people seem to feel they won't be comfy until we all conform, others (like me) think we're better off with the confusion and mistakes a life with choices brings.

You can make a great marriage, if you have sound judgment and a decent share of luck. What that marriage will look like will be almost entirely up to you and your wife, but please don't let the mistakes my generation made discourage you.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
You still have not explained what you mean. If we aren't talking about financial independence, what are we talking about?
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I believe Jerry referring to emotional dependence, Smoke.

He's a special ball of fun, our Jerry is -- his misogyny is legendary but seems mostly borne out of self-loathing.
 
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