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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, IMO, no man is worthy of denying another's right to vote - NO ONE !.
    I disagree. We restrict a lot of people from voting, and nobody cares about their voting rights.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The same traditional definitions that worked perfectly well for several thousand years before we abandoned them at the beginning of the 20th Century.
    You mean those traditions that state that individuals can choose for themselves their own roles in society where they best fit to survive, based on their talents, skills, dedires, and opportunities because the state is an ineffective arbiter of such things?

    Which is exactly the same tradition we have right now.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No one has ever unilaterally embraced gender roles. Your "traditionalist" views, as they were, were actually not as concrete as you had been led to believe.
    Indeed.

    He's caught up in the women's roles of the 50s.

    While totally ignoring what women were like in the 20s...
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Indeed.

    He's caught up in the women's roles of the 50s.

    While totally ignoring what women were like in the 20s...
    Well, no matter what he's talking about, he's thinking the 1950s represented one system of gender roles, when they didn't. Same for any decade. There's a huge variance in the expectations of norms throughout the United States, during any decade. This is when historical mythology comes into play instead of historical reality. He's caught up with the former, while being blissfully unaware of the latter.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm allowing him to understand that gender roles are under constant negotiation within society, and frequently there are periods of blurring, which is more of a reactive look at what is actually transpiring.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Don't waste your time - he's not worth the effort.
    I like doing it when I am waiting around for something else. Don't spoil my fun, gosh darnit.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm allowing him to understand that gender roles are under constant negotiation within society, and frequently there are periods of blurring, which is more of a reactive look at what is actually transpiring.
    Only in such places as allow the constant changing of such. How blurred are gender roles in places like Saudi Arabia or Yemen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No one has ever unilaterally embraced gender roles. Your "traditionalist" views, as they were, were actually not as concrete as you had been led to believe.
    It was much more concrete than you tend to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You mean those traditions that state that individuals can choose for themselves their own roles in society where they best fit to survive, based on their talents, skills, dedires, and opportunities because the state is an ineffective arbiter of such things?

    Which is exactly the same tradition we have right now.
    So you're telling me that a woman or Man in the 12th Century had the ability to choose their own role in society? That might be news to a lot of historians.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Indeed. He's caught up in the women's roles of the 50s. While totally ignoring what women were like in the 20s...
    I'm more interested in 1250 than 1950.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, no matter what he's talking about, he's thinking the 1950s represented one system of gender roles, when they didn't. Same for any decade. There's a huge variance in the expectations of norms throughout the United States, during any decade. This is when historical mythology comes into play instead of historical reality. He's caught up with the former, while being blissfully unaware of the latter.
    Who has suggested that the United States is the standard I would prefer to choose?

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Only in such places as allow the constant changing of such. How blurred are gender roles in places like Saudi Arabia or Yemen?
    So let's take farming families in the West during the 19th century. How did they measure up to standards of the affluent in the North East? How about your factory worker woman-how did she fare?



    It was much more concrete than you tend to believe.
    It would be better if you had more historical background.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So let's take farming families in the West during the 19th century. How did they measure up to standards of the affluent in the North East? How about your factory worker woman-how did she fare?
    Exactly. This nation has not had the intestinal fortitude to ENFORCE a standard of morals, values, and gender roles since at least the American Civil War and probably before that. It's one of the reasons this nation is failing so miserably these days.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Only in such places as allow the constant changing of such. How blurred are gender roles in places like Saudi Arabia or Yemen?



    It was much more concrete than you tend to believe.



    So you're telling me that a woman or Man in the 12th Century had the ability to choose their own role in society? That might be news to a lot of historians.



    I'm more interested in 1250 than 1950.



    Who has suggested that the United States is the standard I would prefer to choose?
    I said individuals were free to choose which roles they could follow based on their skills and talents to survive.

    Because food is necessary for survival, the large majority of people were farmers who grew crops mostly for themselves to consume. And women did this farming too.

    And those who did not farm had their occupation based on it in someway.

    It's only with farming improvements that fewer farmers were need for the same output of crops. Thus freed more men and women to pursue and develop other skills.

    And now with mechanization we need even fewer people go agriculture. 60 years ago, the majority of Americans were farmers. Now, only 3% are farmers. Which means they can become scientists and doctors or service providers instead.

    So technology and surviability determine gender roles. And it's a natural process you can't control.

    Get over it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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