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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Terrible idea. Who let those dames vote? Barefoot and naked in the kitchen, that's a woman's place.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    in a democracy all people should be allowed to vote in which only the voting age is the deciding factor that decides who should be allowed to vote and IMHO that is how it should be. Why not else would the people who not pay federal income tax decide that people with attitudes towards the rest of society like yours be banned from voting for anti-democratic values? It must never go back to the times in which minorities had to prove that they could read before being allowed to vote. Your attitude towards democracy is wrong and not how democracies should work.
    I think you missed the part where the United States is not a democracy, but a democratic republic. Democracy on it's own is a proven failure. The results of letting every regular jack off have a voice, and vote speaks for itself. We're laden with worthless bureaucracy, a horrible tax system, a broken economy, terrible working conditions, castrated border security, and a whole slew of other major problems that are destroying this country, and its people. Why? Because our leaders have to pander to every person in the US that's 18+ and not under court supervision for a felony offense.



    Thank goodness people like you do not get to decide insulting and denigrating rules as to which kind of people should be allowed to vote. A lot of people now no longer pay taxes after paying tax their whole life and they have every right to vote. Paying taxes should never be the deciding factor in whether people should have the right to vote, it is a given right to all adults in the US and that is how democracies work.
    It should always have been a factor.



    Thank goodness all those bleeding hearts will make sure your kind of democracy will never come to pass. The US is a democracy and for decades you have been.
    Actually, they won't, because "my kind of democracy" is what we founded this nation on. Public virtue does not exist, as men will always put their own interests before the needs of others. That is why democracy fails, and why a structured constitutional republic stands.


    And I could care less that you feel that way, your views like yours on society are arrogant towards those who do not have much money, that makes a person an arrogant elitist who are totally out of touch with reality.
    I am an elitist, but I'm looking at the problem very realistically, but it's easy to criticize and judge when you're an entire ocean away, and don't have to deal with the consequences of a failing system.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It's easily achieved, you send their asses to prison for tax evasion. Taxes have always been necessary for the survival of the Union, it's the sole reason why we have a Constitution, and not the Articles of Confederation. Roads have to be built and maintained, hospitals and medical care have to be instituted, police and soldiers have to be properly equipped, trained, and paid, and so on. Society cannot function without taxes, and when people don't pay taxes, they're stealing from society. They're taking everything we built as a nation, and putting a big ole mushroom stamp on it.

    I agree 100% with your last few sentences. I just disagree that the income tax is necessary and as such, required to vote. The government generates money in many ways: 1) tarrifs, 2) printing it 3) Production (offers services for pay) 4) Penalties 5) sales tax 6) excise tax.

    It wasn't until 1862, nearly a century after our nation existed, that we implemented our first income tax. Now 1.5 centuries later, you suggest that this tax is necessary for our nation to exist and therefore suggest that those whose income aren't taxed should not be allowed to vote?

    I agree that those not paying taxes are a huge contribution to what's wrong with the country. Those taking more than they produce from society are stealing from those paying more than they receive (or worse, from future generations), and they're doing so under the rule of the majority. It's disheartening. (at the same time, I would love if those making more were more willing to part with their earnings to the less fortunate [but not the less motivated]). But to empower the national income tax with the law to vote is necessitating the income tax, which is a corner I'm not willing to turn. I'd still rather focus on undoing what's wrong rather than accept it.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    I agree 100% with your last few sentences. I just disagree that the income tax is necessary and as such, required to vote. The government generates money in many ways: 1) tarrifs, 2) printing it 3) Production (offers services for pay) 4) Penalties 5) sales tax 6) excise tax.
    Printing money actually decreases the value of the dollar. The dollar itself is just a representation of the funds the nation has.

    It wasn't until 1862, nearly a century after our nation existed, that we implemented our first income tax. Now 1.5 centuries later, you suggest that this tax is necessary for our nation to exist and therefore suggest that those whose income aren't taxed should not be allowed to vote
    Yes. This isn't the 19th century anymore.

    I agree that those not paying taxes are a huge contribution to what's wrong with the country. Those taking more than they produce from society are stealing from those paying more than they receive (or worse, from future generations), and they're doing so under the rule of the majority. It's disheartening. (at the same time, I would love if those making more were more willing to part with their earnings to the less fortunate [but not the less motivated]). But to empower the national income tax with the law to vote is necessitating the income tax, which is a corner I'm not willing to turn. I'd still rather focus on undoing what's wrong rather than accept it.
    The income tax is just one of many taxes necessary to keep this country running. The reason why it was needed in the first place was because the taxes present weren't enough. We didn't even have 50 states then, and the current taxes of the time still weren't enough. Now, with 50 states, territories, allies, and and infinite number of bureaus, there's simply no possible way that we can abolish the income tax, and still be alright.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Printing money actually decreases the value of the dollar. The dollar itself is just a representation of the funds the nation has.

    Correct... which is why I include it in the list of ways the government takes money from us, other than an income tax.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    A set percentage? No, it wouldn't be fair to anyone, but tax evaders should definitely lose all suffrage rights, and then some.
    Anyone convicted of tax evasion already does lose the right to vote for time, Surtr. That's a felony.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    I agree 100% with your last few sentences. I just disagree that the income tax is necessary and as such, required to vote. The government generates money in many ways: 1) tarrifs, 2) printing it 3) Production (offers services for pay) 4) Penalties 5) sales tax 6) excise tax.

    It wasn't until 1862, nearly a century after our nation existed, that we implemented our first income tax. Now 1.5 centuries later, you suggest that this tax is necessary for our nation to exist and therefore suggest that those whose income aren't taxed should not be allowed to vote?

    I agree that those not paying taxes are a huge contribution to what's wrong with the country. Those taking more than they produce from society are stealing from those paying more than they receive (or worse, from future generations), and they're doing so under the rule of the majority. It's disheartening. (at the same time, I would love if those making more were more willing to part with their earnings to the less fortunate [but not the less motivated]). But to empower the national income tax with the law to vote is necessitating the income tax, which is a corner I'm not willing to turn. I'd still rather focus on undoing what's wrong rather than accept it.
    Threadjack much?

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Terrible idea. Who let those dames vote? Barefoot and naked in the kitchen, that's a woman's place.
    Go make me a sammich, boy.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    A set percentage? No, it wouldn't be fair to anyone, but tax evaders should definitely lose all suffrage rights, and then some.
    A homeless person cannot vote -- a person needs an address before their district can be identified.

    A poor person spends as much as 40% of their total income on taxes. Possibly more. I fail to see why their inability to generate more income, and pay more taxes, should make them any less qualified to vote than some wealthy person, who pays as little as 1% of income in tax.

    Whose children are sent to war, Surtr? Not the rich dude's, not unless they fancy a career in politics. I dunno why you view the poor with as much disdain as you do, but IMO, these people have paid more'n enough to "get in the game".

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    A homeless person cannot vote -- a person needs an address before their district can be identified.

    A poor person spends as much as 40% of their total income on taxes. Possibly more. I fail to see why their inability to generate more income, and pay more taxes, should make them any less qualified to vote than some wealthy person, who pays as little as 1% of income in tax.

    Whose children are sent to war, Surtr? Not the rich dude's, not unless they fancy a career in politics. I dunno why you view the poor with as much disdain as you do, but IMO, these people have paid more'n enough to "get in the game".
    I'm not talking about amount of money, but those who just don't pay their taxes. Everybody else does, but they think they're special, and that everyone should work for them. The kind of people who take and take, but when it comes for them to give a little, nah, that's just exploiting the poor little parasite. They come in all social classes, it's not about that. It's about people pulling their own weight. The ones who don't shouldn't get to reap the benefits of everyone else's hard work, nor should they have any say in our governance.
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