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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    All I can say is WTF? And FU to the 7 people who voted no. DBs!

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by NitroHangover View Post
    I heard a statistic on the radio a month or two ago (no, not conservative talk radio, btw, in case anyone was wondering) saying that simultaneously, while job markets for men are shrinking, and job markets for women are opening up wider and becoming more and more monopolized by women, while women are making more money and men are making less, that at the same time the percentage of women who say that it is very important to them that their potential husband make more money than they do is also skyrocketing. It's unbelievable. I swear, in so many ways, women as a group have become like a real world, human manifestation of the phrase "have their cake and eat it too".

    Sure, I have no doubt that in polls and stuff, women say they are perfectly comfortable with men being "househusbands" and bringing in no money as a contribution. I don't think they're lying, either. I think they are perfectly comfortable with it on a philosophical and ideological level... for other, hypothetical couples. Just not in their life. Not for a man they marry. Maybe we are heading that way and a couple generations from now we'll get there, but right now I just don't see it, in the real world. I have never in my life seen a well-off, professional woman marrying a man who makes ten bucks an hour, or doesn't work at all. On the other hand, I have certainly seen plenty of the reverse and no one questions it at all.

    Before anyone jumps on me btw, I am aware that I'm speaking in broad generalizations. I'm sure many people know a couple or two who embody the reverse of what was once the norm. But sometimes in discussions like these, generalities are what counts, because by and large that's what is happening.
    I think it would be interesting to know what it did to men, when in the 19th century the textile industry became a mass employer, then replaced all the men with women (and children) to reduce operating costs. We may be in the same situation today, only in broad economic terms, instead of industry specifics. I am sure that women studies curricula don't consider such family aspects, especially not when their "enemy", the men of the families are involved, but it would be very interesting to apply it to today's situation.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I can't find anything relating to that claim that women want men who make more than they do in increasing numbers.

    But, if it's true, I could believe it, for one very simple reason.

    Women out-pacing men in education and the work force is a very recent phenomena. So recent that all of these women grew up in a society where men were still thought of as bread winners.

    Economics can change overnight, but gender bigotry lasts for a lifetime unless the person makes a conscious effort to change it within themselves.

    I can tell you that for myself, I've dated guys all over the map, including those who either make less than me or have higher expenses (thus effectively having less money). It really doesn't bother me, personally, even in a cohabitation situation. I just expect them to contribute in some other way.

    Would I be in a committed relationship with a capable man who was persistently unemployed and stayed home? Probably not, but it's not because he's a man. It's because I'm childfree, so it's not like there will ever be kids to take care of. Domestic stuff is definitely work, but it's not 8 hours a day work if you don't have kids so there's no justification for him deciding to just not work. Also, I am very career oriented and I think I would have trouble relating to someone who had no career ambitions at all.

    It doesn't matter to me what he's making. What matters to me is that he cares about something. If what he cares about pays beans, that's fine.
    The word AND in your statement is sooo telling. You are within 6 sigmas of our modern life statistics. So, let me ask this question. Why is it important that what the man cares about is outside the house? Do I gather that the underlying premise is a basic truth about women, that they have some sort of a need to limit the time that their men can interact with them? I know a few CEO's, and one specifically had this problem big time. When he for once took a 2 weeks off, his wife kicked him out of their house, so he had to spend all that time in exile at the golf course. (I had an excellent time with him there, BUT I sooo wouldn't wanna be in his shoes. What options are there for him to make his wife love him? Zero, the generic women's time limit applies.)

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't follow you here - have their cake and eat it, too? Is there something wrong with wanting to be successful as a couple? Aside from what Smoke already said (that there are no statistics to back up your claim that women want their husbands to make more money) - women, as a group, are so diverse it's not even funny. Just like men. Not all men fill the stereotypical power-grabbing CEO world empire male niche.
    I would like to respectfully disagree, to the core, here. It may not be direct cash that women need for a turn-on, but it is some sort of a status in the environment, that women absolutely demand for a man to achieve or inherit, before they talk to him. Sexist or not, there is no such thing against women. A woman is welcome always, even if she has nothing going for her, maybe with the exception of her physical health.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Now - there' a huge difference between having a partner that isn't employed at all - and having a partner that just brings in less than you do. My Dad brings in significantly less than my mother does - they're perfectly fine. Because when you're a couple it's not just *his income* and *her income* as separate entities. It's *our* income - *household* income.

    Of course - *my* household income is significant right now but I don't earn it actively. I'm a sahm (stay at home mom) - well - college mom, now. And I don't bring in the money, sure. But without me being a stay at home mom for all these years we wouldn't have been able to make a decent life for ourselves. We bought a shackle of a house and I've improved it. We've saved thousands every year on gas and childcare because I don't need to drive to work and put the kids in a care program of some type after school. . . .so on - so forth. I can spend an entire day coupon clipping and shopping for the bargain saving further money. My husband earns the money and I spend as little as possible - as wisely as possible.

    It's not like I'm a bump on a log here - and if I was employed - a lot of this, like the kitchen, wouldn't be getting done. And a stay at home dad is the same thing.

    Of course - a 'homemaker' is slightly different in my view. I stay home because of the child-issue, mainly. . . if I don't ever get a job - I'd be a homemaker. . .and that is something I have a problem with. Children and some other full time activity (like home renovations) are the main things I'd support for a homemaker - but if they don't have a reason *not* to work I see nothing standing in their way of fulltime employment.

    No one wants to take care of someone when that other is doing nothing with their time. . . it doesn't take much to shift into being a lazy bum. Male or female - doesn't matter. If you aren't working you better be doing something worthy of support.

    My goal for myself is to get through college - and at some point earn enough to where my husband doesn't have to work if he does't want to. He's older than me - worn out from his health issues and years in the military. He's a wonderful husband - supportive of my many endeavors, even the ones that didn't work out and chewed up a lot of money in the process of my failure - and I feel like he's earned a real break without having to worry about the bills.

    But I can attest from personal experience that stay at home dads are fabulous - better than I was. They're moer active, outgoing, and don't whine about chores. I can tell you I still delay the laundry for as long as possible and maybe it'll be next week when I finally get around to folding it - because I hate that ****. However, I've know 7 stay at home dads (temporary - sure - because they were unemployed for a stretch of time - but sahds none the less) and they were great. The house was always clean, everything was always done, the kids had trips to the zoo and everything else. They really approached it like a job - whether they enjoyed it or not didn't seem to matter at all. . . and they did truly enjoy spending time with their kids. My brother in law was phenomenal. He took a cooking class during his time as a sahd and my sister would come home to international cuisine every night. Meanwhile - it took me 2 years to remodel the kids entire bathroom. LOL It probably would have taken him 2 months.
    You have an attitude that would make any man the luckiest husband on Earth. (Really! )

    Generally speaking however, aren't the words highlighted the most telling foundations that describe every woman's judgemental attitude about men, in a sexist way, which is ultimately what is responsibe for introducing sexism into all job markets and the entire economy and politics? I am not against sexism, but in broad terms, we need to admit that it originates in women, and men are only reactive to it. Otherwise, when men get attracted to women for her looks and words alone, why can't women get attracted to men for his looks and words alone? Oh yeah, we men didn't start this.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    7. women might have liked my post because they too had the same idea as I had, the somewhat sarcastic view that "if" anyone has the right to loose the right to vote, why not men? And as said before, I do not want to loose their voting rights but if there has to be made a choice then why not men?

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    9. Yes women have to stand up, but not to validate your need of for reassurance (just kidding) but they have to stand up for their rights.
    Yes, IF ... and women are the last ones who realize that the idea of voting is a public stunt ... it is a good thing that it is a stunt only though. Look what it did to the entire society. Thanks to that, we live now in a world where nothing matters except money. Money was always the most important thing in the world, I guess, but it is only since the introduction of public voting rights, that money has become the ONLY important thing. It is only our American Electoral College, that reminds us about a world long gone, where we actually were people.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    She's pro felon voting rights?



    There are illegal citizens?
    Wow, that was stretching it. Pro felon rights? Really? That's what you got from this? And there is no such thing as an illegal citizen. Illegal residents, yes.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Go to hell, if you actually believe that mitigates the bile of her remarks, ksu.
    Well, the point was that you guys denigrated her for something she did not say. I gave you the full quote.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Wow, that was stretching it. Pro felon rights? Really? That's what you got from this?
    Is there really something else to get? I was having fun.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't mean to pry, but are they civilian charges or UCMJ?
    No, it's parental kidnapping and spousal abuse.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Yes, IF ... and women are the last ones who realize that the idea of voting is a public stunt ... it is a good thing that it is a stunt only though. Look what it did to the entire society. Thanks to that, we live now in a world where nothing matters except money. Money was always the most important thing in the world, I guess, but it is only since the introduction of public voting rights, that money has become the ONLY important thing. It is only our American Electoral College, that reminds us about a world long gone, where we actually were people.
    but that the entire political system in the US has gone haywire has nothing to do with women (or men for that matter). It is the problem that a political system drafted for a population of 4 million of only a relatively small part of the population was allowed to vote (white men with land or wealth in most states). The US is way too large for the electoral system it has now. That is the real reason IMHO that the US electoral system has gone nuts with money and special interests.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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