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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You still have not explained what you mean. If we aren't talking about financial independence, what are we talking about?
    You never read me use the term "financial independence".

    You read me use the term "economic security", which runs from raising the minimum wage to Obama'Care. Unmarried women tend to support these issues more than married women. Both groups of women seek economic security, but while married women have a partner to supply either a stable single-income, or an additional household income, the unmarried woman is alone. There is a degree of fear which plays into the single woman's thinking which motivates her to support government programs to compensate for a lack of a spouse.

    In a vaccume this would be fine. For example, if only the people who voted for Obama had to pay into ObamaCare. However, these policies are damaging everyone. National healthcare is a bad investment to begin with, but women vote with their feelings, not with their calculator, so they will support harmful policies so long as they derive a feeling or security, even if it's false security, and even if they know it's false.

    Generally speaking, person should have a healthy degree of control and security over their financial future before being allowed to vote, otherwise they will panic and vote their inadequacies into law and force the rest of us to pour our hard-earned assets into their insatiable character flaws.
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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I believe Jerry referring to emotional dependence, Smoke.

    He's a special ball of fun, our Jerry is -- his misogyny is legendary but seems mostly borne out of self-loathing.
    Lol. How can someone be emotionally dependent on a discombobulated entity?

    That makes no sense to me, and I'm aware that he essentially thinks women belong in the kitchen, so that was the only kind of thing I could come up with that made any sense. Apparently, jumping to the most logical conclusion is a mistake with Jerry. It is never the most logical conclusion with him.

    Yeah, I've gone 'round with him before. I was just feeling naive today, I guess.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That's changing. I know a couple "house husbands," as you put it. It works for them.

    Personally, I am totally comfortable putting more into a relationship in terms of finances as long as my partner is contributing in other ways, including domestic. Money isn't the only thing that matters in terms of maintaining a life together.

    However, I do recognize that there is still a large portion of American society that isn't there yet.

    In terms of the way women vote, well, no ****. If you were a woman, would you vote for the party that seems to have a complete monopoly on people like Jarvis DeBarry? When was the last time you heard of a Democrat bemoaning the right of women to vote? When was the last time you heard a Democrat saying women need to return to their domestic roles and leave business to the men? When was the last time you heard a Democrat take a strong anti-choice position? When was the last time you heard a Democrat diminish the seriousness of rape?

    There are plenty of complaints to be lobbied at Democrats, but it's blatantly obvious why women lean away from Republicans.

    Well, to tell you the truth, I bemoan the right to vote, although not on a gender basis.

    Are you saying that republicans wouldn't support women's businesses when half of start-ups that are on top of workplace quality lists are female owned/operated? The cash-flow of these start-ups is wider in the economy than others, so they are more essential. So, for your statement to be true, republicans would have to fail their economics exam.

    As for the anti-choice crowd, I don't understand why you group them together with conservatives, I think they are probably just woman-haters, otherwise why would they not imagine, that if they were women, they would be equally worried of any unwanted thing growing inside them, "live" or not.

    And it is abundantly obvious to every human being that rape is the crime that murders a person just short of stopping the body. I don't know if any study was successful to bring a raped woman back to life, and both conservatives and progressives agree that rape should be eliminated. Why are you saying that rape is downplayed?

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely untrue. There are literally tens of thousands of "househusbands" in the US, who have chosen to take primary responsibility for raising children because their wives have more lucrative careers, and the husbands prefer spending quality time raising the children. There is only a "sexist divide" between those who are looking for reasons to pigeonhole females into the "housewife/raise children" role and pigeonhole men into the "monetary support/career" role.

    The statement that "women votes will always hurt conservative values consistently, a reasonably unwelcome bias" is also demonstrably false and demonstrably an unwelcome bias that cannot be supported by verifiable fact.
    I wish you were right. As a man, I would feel a lot better if some inequality didn't put me on the spot. But ... are you saying that statistics supports your statements as they stand today?

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You never read me use the term "financial independence".

    You read me use the term "economic security", which runs from raising the minimum wage to Obama'Care. Unmarried women tend to support these issues more than married women. Both groups of women seek economic security, but while married women hav a partner to supply either a stable single income or an additional household income, the unmarried woman is alone. There is a degree of fear which plays into the single woman's thinking which motivates her to support government programs to compensate for a lack of a spouse.
    I never said you used that term. Jesus, Jerry.

    So, yes, this is related to money.

    Again, Jerry, explain to me how single women are looking for a "surrogate spouse" to provide economic stability when they make more money than men do? They don't need to compensate for anything.

    I'm a single woman living alone with a good enough income to pay my college tuition outright on a per-semester basis. Yes, I work full-time and go to school. I have a nice nest egg, and I'm not worried about my finances -- even in a disaster situation.

    I still support affordable health care, because I don't think how much money one makes should dictate whether they're allowed to live.

    I still support a minimum wage, because I think hard-working people should be able to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads.

    I don't need either of those things, personally. It doesn't change that I think letting people die because they aren't rich, or treating our own labor force like indentured servants, is wrong. What's hard to understand about that?

    Furthermore, single people aren't "alone." We have families and loved ones just like everyone else does.

    And finally, how is this unique to women? Wouldn't single men then be more "fearful" about their economics as well? They should be -- they're in a worse position than women are. So why aren't they? Why are single women the "fearful" ones when it's single men who are economically vulnerable?

    Your theory completely breaks down in every imaginable way.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I believe Jerry referring to emotional dependence, Smoke.

    He's a special ball of fun, our Jerry is -- his misogyny is legendary but seems mostly borne out of self-loathing.
    The irony of this post does not escape me, that you have to accuse me of hate while giving personal attacks.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Well, to tell you the truth, I bemoan the right to vote, although not on a gender basis.

    Are you saying that republicans wouldn't support women's businesses when half of start-ups that are on top of workplace quality lists are female owned/operated? The cash-flow of these start-ups is wider in the economy than others, so they are more essential. So, for your statement to be true, republicans would have to fail their economics exam.

    As for the anti-choice crowd, I don't understand why you group them together with conservatives, I think they are probably just woman-haters, otherwise why would they not imagine, that if they were women, they would be equally worried of any unwanted thing growing inside them, "live" or not.

    And it is abundantly obvious to every human being that rape is the crime that murders a person just short of stopping the body. I don't know if any study was successful to bring a raped woman back to life, and both conservatives and progressives agree that rape should be eliminated. Why are you saying that rape is downplayed?
    Individual Republicans will vary. But like I said, name me a Democrat who supports any of those things.

    Anti-choicers are overwhelmingly conservative. There are liberal anti-choicers, but most liberal politicians won't run on that platform because they know they'd lose most of their pro-choice base.

    If you have missed all the recent comments by Republicans about "real rape" and women who "rape easy," you need to pay better attention. I'm not going to sit here and re-read the news for you.

    What I'm saying is that women see that people who espouse anti-woman positions are mostly conservative. So it's dead-obvious why women tend to lean liberal.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    I wish you were right. As a man, I would feel a lot better if some inequality didn't put me on the spot. But ... are you saying that statistics supports your statements as they stand today?
    You are not a statistic. Don't get anyone pregnant accidentily, and when you do choose to have kids, you can thank us women (and men) who went before for the rights you will have to be that child's custodial parent -- and to receive child support -- that are exactly the same as your wife's are, in the event of a divorce.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I never said you used that term. Jesus, Jerry.

    So, yes, this is related to money.

    Again, Jerry, explain to me how single women are looking for a "surrogate spouse" to provide economic stability when they make more money than men do? They don't need to compensate for anything.

    I'm a single woman living alone with a good enough income to pay my college tuition outright on a per-semester basis. Yes, I work full-time and go to school. I have a nice nest egg, and I'm not worried about my finances -- even in a disaster situation.

    I still support affordable health care, because I don't think how much money one makes should dictate whether they're allowed to live.

    I still support a minimum wage, because I think hard-working people should be able to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads.

    I don't need either of those things, personally. It doesn't change that I think letting people die because they aren't rich, or treating our own labor force like indentured servants, is wrong. What's hard to understand about that?

    Furthermore, single people aren't "alone." We have families and loved ones just like everyone else does.

    And finally, how is this unique to women? Wouldn't single men then be more "fearful" about their economics as well? They should be -- they're in a worse position than women are. So why aren't they? Why are single women the "fearful" ones when it's single men who are economically vulnerable?

    Your theory completely breaks down in every imaginable way.
    I'm still editing that post. How about you take a breath and slow down, give a guy a chance to proof-read and edit. Especially if I'm to start including sources, that will take even longer as I actually read my sources and take the time to fix vBulliten code to make my post visually presentable.

    I'm stepping out for a bit. Perhaps you should do the same.

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    Re: Women voting, bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm still editing that post. How about you take a breath and slow down, give a guy a chance to proof read and edit.

    I'm stepping out for a bit. Perhaps you should do the same.
    LOLOLOL.

    Smoke smoked you, eh?

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