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    Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    This is a reaction to this story: Bullied Canadian teen leaves behind chilling YouTube video - CNN.com

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    In my opinion, the social learning environment created by the public school system is artificial, unnatural, and potentially harmful.

    Here's what I mean. The knee-jerk reaction people have to this story is to blame the bullies. But the reality is, those bullies are ALSO CHILDREN. The problem is the system, not the bullies.

    The problem is that we have 40 kids to every teacher, that teachers aren't always the best examples of how an adult should behave, and that children are robbed en-masse of the opportunity to socialize with people with a higher level of maturity than themselves.

    Our brains are NOT WIRED for the public school system.

    Look at the way primates do it. They have "social groups" that include apes of all ages. You never see all the young monkeys in a corner while the adults hunt for ants. The young ones are around the mature ones all the time, learning by osmosis.

    Look at the way hunter-gatherer tribes do it.

    Young people are PROGRAMMED to learn from adults and older children. From interacting, seeing, imitating.

    **We are not evolutionarily programmed to spend our formative years learning from OTHER immature people. This type of suicide is EXACTLY what happens when you have the blind learning from the blind, so to speak.

    The bullies didn't know any better, and this poor girl was lost and didn't know her place in the world.

    She should have had people in her life of all ages and maturity levels. She should have had people in her life in their early teens, late teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and older. This is how we are meant to learn and adjust to the world around us. Instead, her entire peer group, the people she learned about herself from, were no more mature than she. That is simply not the way it was meant to be.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is a reaction to this story: Bullied Canadian teen leaves behind chilling YouTube video - CNN.com

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    In my opinion, the social learning environment created by the public school system is artificial, unnatural, and potentially harmful.

    Here's what I mean. The knee-jerk reaction people have to this story is to blame the bullies. But the reality is, those bullies are ALSO CHILDREN. The problem is the system, not the bullies.

    The problem is that we have 40 kids to every teacher, that teachers aren't always the best examples of how an adult should behave, and that children are robbed en-masse of the opportunity to socialize with people with a higher level of maturity than themselves.

    Our brains are NOT WIRED for the public school system.

    Look at the way primates do it. They have "social groups" that include apes of all ages. You never see all the young monkeys in a corner while the adults hunt for ants. The young ones are around the mature ones all the time, learning by osmosis.

    Look at the way hunter-gatherer tribes do it.

    Young people are PROGRAMMED to learn from adults and older children. From interacting, seeing, imitating.

    **We are not evolutionarily programmed to spend our formative years learning from OTHER immature people. This type of suicide is EXACTLY what happens when you have the blind learning from the blind, so to speak.

    The bullies didn't know any better, and this poor girl was lost and didn't know her place in the world.

    She should have had people in her life of all ages and maturity levels. She should have had people in her life in their early teens, late teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and older. This is how we are meant to learn and adjust to the world around us. Instead, her entire peer group, the people she learned about herself from, were no more mature than she. That is simply not the way it was meant to be.

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    Weird. I just started a post about social media inspired by this same story. It's rather clear from my post that I found a different medium altogether to be responsible for this sort of thing. In my opinion it is NOT the school setting. It's the internet and social media connectivity.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Most bullies know that what they're doing is not socially acceptable or appropriate. Just like most thieves know stealing isn't right.

    That's really the only portion of the OP I felt like commenting on. I don't agree with anything that was written, but the line on the bullies not knowing any better was particularly retarded.
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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    You were never mean to another kid when you were 14?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Most bullies know that what they're doing is not socially acceptable or appropriate. Just like most thieves know stealing isn't right.

    That's really the only portion of the OP I felt like commenting on. I don't agree with anything that was written, but the line on the bullies not knowing any better was particularly retarded.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You were never mean to another kid when you were 14?
    That I recall, no.

    But even if I had, it wouldn't negate my point, because at 14 I knew bullying was bad.
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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    It's not an issue of being able to understand that it's bad, it's the ability to get away with it. Kids are young and naturally cowardly, so many who can think of bullying things to say wouldn't have the balls to do it to another kid's face. But when they can bully from the safe distance of their home using the internet, where there is little to no adult monitoring of that behavior, THAT is the difference between today's bully and the typical schoolyard bully 30 years ago.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is a reaction to this story: Bullied Canadian teen leaves behind chilling YouTube video - CNN.com

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    In my opinion, the social learning environment created by the public school system is artificial, unnatural, and potentially harmful.

    Here's what I mean. The knee-jerk reaction people have to this story is to blame the bullies. But the reality is, those bullies are ALSO CHILDREN. The problem is the system, not the bullies.

    The problem is that we have 40 kids to every teacher, that teachers aren't always the best examples of how an adult should behave, and that children are robbed en-masse of the opportunity to socialize with people with a higher level of maturity than themselves.

    Our brains are NOT WIRED for the public school system.

    Look at the way primates do it. They have "social groups" that include apes of all ages. You never see all the young monkeys in a corner while the adults hunt for ants. The young ones are around the mature ones all the time, learning by osmosis.

    Look at the way hunter-gatherer tribes do it.

    Young people are PROGRAMMED to learn from adults and older children. From interacting, seeing, imitating.

    **We are not evolutionarily programmed to spend our formative years learning from OTHER immature people. This type of suicide is EXACTLY what happens when you have the blind learning from the blind, so to speak.

    The bullies didn't know any better, and this poor girl was lost and didn't know her place in the world.

    She should have had people in her life of all ages and maturity levels. She should have had people in her life in their early teens, late teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and older. This is how we are meant to learn and adjust to the world around us. Instead, her entire peer group, the people she learned about herself from, were no more mature than she. That is simply not the way it was meant to be.

    Thoughts?

    Do you have a solution then? Are you saying that home schooling is the best option?

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    When I was 14, I both bullied other kids and was bullied myself. I knew better, but didn't have the maturity of an adult to fully understand the consequences that can have on someone else's life.

    What I needed at that age wasn't a 60 year old schoolmarm who had 40 other screaming kids to control, I needed an older kid to set me straight and tell me to quit being a punk.

    The bully is just as much a victim here as the girl who shot herself. Those kids are going to live with guilt the rest of their lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That I recall, no.

    But even if I had, it wouldn't negate my point, because at 14 I knew bullying was bad.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Do you have a solution then? Are you saying that home schooling is the best option?
    No point asking for a solution if we haven't done well to identify the problem.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is a reaction to this story: Bullied Canadian teen leaves behind chilling YouTube video - CNN.com

    In my opinion, the social learning environment created by the public school system is artificial, unnatural, and potentially harmful.

    Here's what I mean. The knee-jerk reaction people have to this story is to blame the bullies. But the reality is, those bullies are ALSO CHILDREN. The problem is the system, not the bullies.

    The problem is that we have 40 kids to every teacher, that teachers aren't always the best examples of how an adult should behave, and that children are robbed en-masse of the opportunity to socialize with people with a higher level of maturity than themselves.

    Our brains are NOT WIRED for the public school system.

    Look at the way primates do it. They have "social groups" that include apes of all ages. You never see all the young monkeys in a corner while the adults hunt for ants. The young ones are around the mature ones all the time, learning by osmosis.

    Look at the way hunter-gatherer tribes do it.

    Young people are PROGRAMMED to learn from adults and older children. From interacting, seeing, imitating.

    **We are not evolutionarily programmed to spend our formative years learning from OTHER immature people. This type of suicide is EXACTLY what happens when you have the blind learning from the blind, so to speak.

    The bullies didn't know any better, and this poor girl was lost and didn't know her place in the world.

    She should have had people in her life of all ages and maturity levels. She should have had people in her life in their early teens, late teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and older. This is how we are meant to learn and adjust to the world around us. Instead, her entire peer group, the people she learned about herself from, were no more mature than she. That is simply not the way it was meant to be.

    Thoughts?
    The fact that children spend 6 hours a day in school interacting with other children isn't the problem. It's the social networking that's the problem, in my opinion. Back in the day, I went to school, then came home and played with a few kids in the neighborhood that my parents knew and approved of -- after homework/after dinner in the summertime. The rest of the time I was interacting with my parents and our extended family -- adults and children alike.

    Today, parents buy their kids cellphones in the 4th grade. They're never out of touch with "the tribe." Think "Lord of the Flies." Ha! That's the danger, in my opinion. Social networking on Facebook, MySpace, YouTube; incessant texting. They're getting immersed in a social world that's warped. Warped by immature minds gone wild, if you will.

    Parents have no time. Take no time. Even "good parents" involve their kids in so many activities that they become taxi drivers, driving the kids to games/events three or four nights a week. What the hell? What happened to family time? I know of families so damned busy that they don't even eat together. They'll stand at the counter and wolf down cereal for dinner. Separately. Yeah, that makes for a well-adjusted child.

    It's not schools. It's parents. They have the ultimate control over their children lives as they grow up and choose not to exercise it. "Everybody does it, Mom!!!!" Well, my mom would have said, "Well, that's just fine. But our house isn't everybody."
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