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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Our current school system is VERY unnatural, especially when it comes to high school. High school is like putting a bunch of wild animals in a small cage and hoping they all survive. I agree with your thoughts exactly, TC.

    I think massive reforms in the educational system are necessary. The idea of K-12 grades should really be eliminated past 5th or 6th grade, and instead there should be more individualized options for kids to take classes at whatever level they are at. This could easily be done through computerized teaching, which for many children is more effective than the standard in the classroom teaching. For the kids who would do better in the classroom, they can have that option available.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    I think our system teaches children to be children, not adults. Then, when they graduate, they are expected to be adults. They're just older, not adults. Like the primates, the children must be part and parcel of living to learn responsibility, discipline, confront problems, solve problems, and be involved in the intricacies and complexities of adult living and decision-making. Raise adults, not children. Of course, our system is invested in the raising children method and it will be hard to change.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Your entire shtick goes to such lengths to absolve today's adults of any responsibility over their own lives,
    Uhhh how am i doing that?

    their children's, or the state of the nation, really over anything whatsoever, that I cannot even take you seriously and I have come to believe it's, well, like I said, a shtick.
    Uhh what?

    One who in fact despises the idea of socialism and so plays the part of a socialist to subtly reveal how backwards its ideals are.
    Uhhh what?


    I mean, look at your signature:

    "Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression, and violence, and enjoy it to the full."
    Uhh ok?


    There is no way you actually believe the things you say. Defer all responsibility to the future generations? The world is ours to ransack? Nah. I'm not buying it.
    Uhhh what?




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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    I agree whole-heartedly and you worded it much better than I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think our system teaches children to be children, not adults. Then, when they graduate, they are expected to be adults. They're just older, not adults. Like the primates, the children must be part and parcel of living to learn responsibility, discipline, confront problems, solve problems, and be involved in the intricacies and complexities of adult living and decision-making. Raise adults, not children. Of course, our system is invested in the raising children method and it will be hard to change.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh how am i doing that?

    Uhh what?

    Uhhh what?

    Uhh ok?

    Uhhh what?
    Your apathy about these sorts of things rubs me the wrong way, and then I noticed your signature (which I hadn't noticed before).

    In another thread I asked if youth's burgeoning access to internet and social media (including mobile broadband, webcams, etc.), which all directly relate to this story, is a good thing or a bad thing (and offered balanced options to say "mixed"), and you insouciantly say "It's a good thing" and offer no explanation.

    And here you are with a different question on the same topic and your answer to this really upsetting story is basically, "Meh, **** happens. That's life."

    Clearly you don't have kids, nor do you apparently give much thought to the type of society we're going to leave for them. "Enjoy it to the full, life is beautiful," you say. "Let the future generations figure it out."
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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    This poll is biased in your favor.

    It centers around the concepts you posted in the thread on bullying. There is no choice here.
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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The fact that children spend 6 hours a day in school interacting with other children isn't the problem. It's the social networking that's the problem, in my opinion. Back in the day, I went to school, then came home and played with a few kids in the neighborhood that my parents knew and approved of -- after homework/after dinner in the summertime. The rest of the time I was interacting with my parents and our extended family -- adults and children alike.

    Today, parents buy their kids cellphones in the 4th grade. They're never out of touch with "the tribe." Think "Lord of the Flies." Ha! That's the danger, in my opinion. Social networking on Facebook, MySpace, YouTube; incessant texting. They're getting immersed in a social world that's warped. Warped by immature minds gone wild, if you will.

    Parents have no time. Take no time. Even "good parents" involve their kids in so many activities that they become taxi drivers, driving the kids to games/events three or four nights a week. What the hell? What happened to family time? I know of families so damned busy that they don't even eat together. They'll stand at the counter and wolf down cereal for dinner. Separately. Yeah, that makes for a well-adjusted child.

    It's not schools. It's parents. They have the ultimate control over their children lives as they grow up and choose not to exercise it. "Everybody does it, Mom!!!!" Well, my mom would have said, "Well, that's just fine. But our house isn't everybody."
    I quite agree. I told a student yesterday my solution was to off the technology and go spend time elsewhere: Family, friends not connected, or even alone time.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    It's not just social media, though it can often make these things worse. These problems were still major issues before the internet was even created.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    In my opinion, the social learning environment created by the public school system is artificial, unnatural, and potentially harmful.

    Here's what I mean. The knee-jerk reaction people have to this story is to blame the bullies. But the reality is, those bullies are ALSO CHILDREN. The problem is the system, not the bullies.

    The problem is that we have 40 kids to every teacher, that teachers aren't always the best examples of how an adult should behave, and that children are robbed en-masse of the opportunity to socialize with people with a higher level of maturity than themselves.

    Our brains are NOT WIRED for the public school system.

    Look at the way primates do it. They have "social groups" that include apes of all ages. You never see all the young monkeys in a corner while the adults hunt for ants. The young ones are around the mature ones all the time, learning by osmosis.

    Look at the way hunter-gatherer tribes do it.

    Young people are PROGRAMMED to learn from adults and older children. From interacting, seeing, imitating.

    **We are not evolutionarily programmed to spend our formative years learning from OTHER immature people. This type of suicide is EXACTLY what happens when you have the blind learning from the blind, so to speak.

    The bullies didn't know any better, and this poor girl was lost and didn't know her place in the world.

    She should have had people in her life of all ages and maturity levels. She should have had people in her life in their early teens, late teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and older. This is how we are meant to learn and adjust to the world around us. Instead, her entire peer group, the people she learned about herself from, were no more mature than she. That is simply not the way it was meant to be.

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    1. Kids are not in school every waking moment. They have plenty of time on their own to interact and socialize with whomever they want, of any age bracket they want.

    2. I can't see a relationship between class size and teen suicide.

    3. If she couldn't handle the simple problems of teenaged years, then she's better off now, because it doesn't get any easier. Think of it as Darwin's good work. She was weak. Good riddance. If she stuck around, she would've been equally, if not more, miserable as an adult - and just as maladjusted.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If she couldn't handle the simple problems of teenaged years, then she's better off now, because it doesn't get any easier. Think of it as Darwin's good work. She was weak. Good riddance. If she stuck around, she would've been equally, if not more, miserable as an adult - and just as maladjusted.
    You calling that young girl "maladjusted" is the pot calling the kettle black.

    "Good riddance" she's dead? Really?

    I just got done debating a neo-nazi on another thread, and I think he was more well-adjusted than you seem to be.

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