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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    No point asking for a solution if we haven't done well to identify the problem.
    What i was getting at is if he thinks sending kids to public/private schools is not good for building social skills, then what kind of environment should they been in to be educated.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Do you have a solution then? Are you saying that home schooling is the best option?
    Young people need to spend more time at the workplace, honestly. That's my answer. Corporations need to be responsible for educating the next generation.

    Let's not say that our job as adults is to shield young people from the world. Our job is to socialize young people and prepare them to stand on their own two feet.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    The Lord of the Flies reference is perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The fact that children spend 6 hours a day in school interacting with other children isn't the problem. It's the social networking that's the problem, in my opinion. Back in the day, I went to school, then came home and played with a few kids in the neighborhood that my parents knew and approved of -- after homework/after dinner in the summertime. The rest of the time I was interacting with my parents and our extended family -- adults and children alike.

    Today, parents buy their kids cellphones in the 4th grade. They're never out of touch with "the tribe." Think "Lord of the Flies." Ha! That's the danger, in my opinion. Social networking on Facebook, MySpace, YouTube; incessant texting. They're getting immersed in a social world that's warped. Warped by immature minds gone wild, if you will.

    Parents have no time. Take no time. Even "good parents" involve their kids in so many activities that they become taxi drivers, driving the kids to games/events three or four nights a week. What the hell? What happened to family time? I know of families so damned busy that they don't even eat together. They'll stand at the counter and wolf down cereal for dinner. Separately. Yeah, that makes for a well-adjusted child.

    It's not schools. It's parents. They have the ultimate control over their children lives as they grow up and choose not to exercise it. "Everybody does it, Mom!!!!" Well, my mom would have said, "Well, that's just fine. But our house isn't everybody."

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Young people need to spend more time at the workplace, honestly. That's my answer. Corporations need to be responsible for educating the next generation.

    Let's not say that our job as adults is to shield young people from the world. Our job is to socialize young people and prepare them to stand on their own two feet.
    but you realize that bullies can be young as 6/7/8 yrs old
    You want to employee them to learn to be mature? Where are they going to get an education? Dont say by working either.
    Can you elaborate?
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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    but you realize that bullies can be young as 6/7/8 yrs old
    You want them to employee them to learn to be mature? Where are they going to get an education? Dont say by working either.
    I'm not saying we shouldn't have ANY public education. I think 8 hours a day, plus like Maggie says the social media world after that, is too much of a bad thing.

    My instincts tell me it should be 50/50. Spend 4 hours a day learning to read and write, and the other 4 learning real world skills. Spend a few months at one company, and rotate.

    There just needs to be more healthy interaction with kids of different ages and different types of adults so they can learn. In my mind, it's not normal for a 15 year old girl's entire world to consist of other 15 year olds. That's a purely modern and artificial construct.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not saying we shouldn't have ANY public education. I think 8 hours a day, plus like Maggie says the social media world after that, is too much of a bad thing.

    My instincts tell me it should be 50/50. Spend 4 hours a day learning to read and write, and the other 4 learning real world skills. Spend a few months at one company, and rotate.

    There just needs to be more healthy interaction with kids of different ages and different types of adults so they can learn. In my mind, it's not normal for a 15 year old girl's entire world to consist of other 15 year olds. That's a purely modern and artificial construct.

    I too, agree with maggies post. However, ill add another reason for parents not being involved. I think it has very much to do "American Way"/"Capitalism". It's the materialist mentality. Our society says make as much money as you possibley can by working 7 days a week 12hrs a day. This is one of the breakdowns. Then you have parents that have to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet. This is, yet another breakdown. Both of these examples leaves the kid at home alone for hours on end.

    My wife is a teacher, and as of now, there's not enough time in the day to teach everything that they are supposed to. Cutting education down to 4 hours a day is not a good idea. If anything, perhaps 1-2 hrs more is needed in the day.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    The way it is right now, work life and family life are totally split and separate. I don't think that's a good thing for the psyche.

    I think hard work is good for the soul, it makes you feel accomplished. Imagine back in the day before there were public schools and roads and cars.... everyone had a family farm. Dad would plow the field, mom would milk the cow, little Johnny would collect eggs, and life is good. Guess what, Johnny is going to be a good farmer by the time he grows up.

    Today, we send him off to 8 hours a day of schooling with 40 other kids in his class, where he can learn how to farm from a textbook and an old lady who's never done anything but teach.

    All I'm saying is why should corporations get to do all the taking.... they take our labor.... but they don't have to be involved with the community at all? They should play a role in educating the next generation.

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I too, agree with maggies post. However, ill add another reason for parents not being involved. I think it has very much to do "American Way"/"Capitalism". It's the materialist mentality. Our society says make as much money as you possibley can by working 7 days a week 12hrs a day. This is one of the breakdowns. Then you have parents that have to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet. This is, yet another breakdown. Both of these examples leaves the kid at home alone for hours on end.

    My wife is a teacher, and as of now, there's not enough time in the day to teach everything that they are supposed to. Cutting education down to 4 hours a day is not a good idea. If anything, perhaps 1-2 hrs more is needed in the day.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    The school yard and the prison exercise yard are very similar. When you have a kid getting set up for a gang beat down, well, that's what inmate gangs do.

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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Its perfectly natural. Its a shame that people bully and commit suicide but thats just part of life. It sucks i know, but its life.


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    Re: Is the public school system an unnatural social environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its perfectly natural. Its a shame that people bully and commit suicide but thats just part of life. It sucks i know, but its life.
    Your entire shtick goes to such lengths to absolve today's adults of any responsibility over their own lives, their children's, or the state of the nation, really over anything whatsoever, that I cannot even take you seriously and I have come to believe it's, well, like I said, a shtick. One who in fact despises the idea of socialism and so plays the part of a socialist to subtly reveal how backwards its ideals are.

    I mean, look at your signature:

    "Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression, and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

    There is no way you actually believe the things you say. Defer all responsibility to the future generations? The world is ours to ransack? Nah. I'm not buying it.

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