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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?

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The BIGGEST LIAR of this campaign season now goes to Joe Biden.

TWICE he chastized Ryan for voting for two wars that we couldn't afford, specifically stating that he (Biden) didn't vote for them. IN FACT, Joe Biden voted for authorization of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is not a subjective or trivial lie. Biden raged at Ryan for voting exactly as Biden did, Biden absolutely and deliberately lying saying that he did not.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Not according to scientific polling, which I've seen 2 indicate Biden won, 1 was a statistical tie, and none showed Ryan winning.

Reuters/Ipsos (MoE 3.1):

Biden:42%
Ryan: 35%

Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


CBS (MoE 5.0):

Biden:50%
Ryan: 31%

Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News


CNN (MoE 5.0):

Biden:44%
Ryan: 48%

CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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I think Gore was initially listed as the 'winner' of the debate with BUsh, but history has painted a different outcome. Same thing will happen to Biden.
 
joko104 said:
The BIGGEST LIAR of this campaign season now goes to Joe Biden.

TWICE he chastized Ryan for voting for two wars that we couldn't afford, specifically stating that he (Biden) didn't vote for them. IN FACT, Joe Biden voted for authorization of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is not a subjective or trivial lie. Biden raged at Ryan for voting exactly as Biden did, Biden absolutely and deliberately lying saying that he did not.
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Biden didn't lie about that -- you just don't understand what he said. That doesn't make him a liar -- it only leaves you confused.
 
I thought Obama got killed in his debate. I thought Biden pretty well dismantled Ryan.
 
Fletch said:
I think Gore was initially listed as the 'winner' of the debate with BUsh, but history has painted a different outcome. Same thing will happen to Biden.
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How has 'history painted a different outcome'. Gore actually won the popular vote too, by about half a million votes. What are you talking about?
 
Fletch said:
I dont think I would label it ignorance. I am no fan of Biden, but I thought in certain regards, he did quite well. He was well rehearsed, well informed, he knew his positions and the positions of his opponent, and he stated those positions clearly, and forcefully. Bidens problem was his demeanor. Mocking Ryan by smiling, laughing, interrupting and rolling his eyes while Ryan spoke was juvenile, distracting and rude. Had he done this on only a handfull of occasions it might have even worked to his advantage. But Biden did it over and over and over. He did it so often, in fact, that his poor behavior became the most significant story of the entire debate. Substance-wise, it was a good debate. Stylistically, Biden came off as childish and arrogant, while Ryan came across as competant and mature. That makes Ryan the winner.
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What I was getting at was that much of the information what Biden presented was untrue or exaggerated, and the ignorant voter, people who don't know the real facts, would say that Biden was the winner. He was very strong in his arguments and commanded the discussion, but untrue information and his demeanor above all else are what lost him the debate.
 
Fletch said:
I think Gore was initially listed as the 'winner' of the debate with BUsh, but history has painted a different outcome. Same thing will happen to Biden.
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Ah, another, "just you wait and see," response. I see those all the time from people who can't find a winning position. Hell, I'm still waiting for stockpiles of WMD to be found in Iraq as I recall many Conservatives saying, "just wait and see, they'll be found."

Thanks, but I go by what exists; not by what may exist someday.
 
I only saw Ryan debating.

Biden acted like an obnoxious bar fly.
 
WcBeasley said:
And yet when Romney did the EXACT SAME THING.. he wasn't?
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No, actually he didn't. He wasn't laughing and smirking at everything Obama said. Interrupted, yes, but that's because Obama was misrepresenting Romney's plan.
 
"Liar, liar, pants on fire." just might cost Obama the election.
 
WcBeasley said:
No Romney doesn't drink but then He LIES so much I doubt if even Ann knows who the real Mitt Romney is.
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Please, enlighten me. What is it that you think Romney lied about? A majority of the facts he mentioned during his debate can be verified on the BLS.
 
Krystov said:
Please, enlighten me. What is it that you think Romney lied about? A majority of the facts he mentioned during his debate can be verified on the BLS.
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Here is a list just to get started then:

"In one year, (President Obama) provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world … into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tesla and Ener1."
Says President Obama has "doubled" the deficit
"Right now, the (Congressional Budget Office) says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year."
The "48, 49 percent" that supports President Barack Obama are "people who pay no income tax."
President Obama’s lawsuit claims it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period.
President Obama was saying success "is the result of government," not "hard-working people," when he said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Says stimulus money went to buy electric cars from Finland as a payback to Obama supporters.
Says Dow Chemical decided to build a plant in Saudi Arabia rather than Oklahoma due to the impact of environmental regulations on the supply of natural gas.
When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, "we didn’t just slow the rate of growth of our government, we actually cut it." (it actually increased by 5%)
"The president gave the (auto) companies to the UAW."
Says President Barack Obama has opened up no new trade relationships with other nations.
Says the National Labor Relations Board told Boeing that it couldn’t build a factory in South Carolina because South Carolina is a right-to-work state.
"Only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country . . . Barack Obama."
Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.
"I was pretty proud of being the only guy on the stage that ever had a job in the private sector."
"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

And these are just a few of the statements and claims he has made. I can go on and on if you like.
 
Tucker Case said:
Simply being the grownup at the table is not taking command, especially when the children at the table are going ape**** having a food fight.
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I saw just one child at the table, the one who, maybe two sentences into his opponent's statement, was "reacting"--shaking his head, smirking, rolling his eyes, and interrupting.

Up to everybody to decide for him or herself whether this was merely "acting," but what I saw in Ryan was a man who remained civil and sat still--did you watch Ryan's hands?

I saw somebody who just might be President of the United States one day and who certainly has the required gravitas for the Vice Presidency.
 
WcBeasley said:
No Romney doesn't drink but then He LIES so much I doubt if even Ann knows who the real Mitt Romney is.
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we know that Obama has lied on the important issues.
 
WcBeasley said:
Document your evidence. Stateing he has simply doesn't make it so.
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His campaign ad that I have started a thread about-claiming someone making 50K a year pays a higher effective income tax than Romney-massive lie

claiming the rich-the top one percent who pay 40% of the income tax and all the DEATH TAX-don't pay their fair share

claiming he "killed Bin Laden"

claiming his stimulus saved the country

tell me why you support Obama-your avatar is rather puzzling BTW
 
TurtleDude said:
His campaign ad that I have started a thread about-claiming someone making 50K a year pays a higher effective income tax than Romney-massive lie

claiming the rich-the top one percent who pay 40% of the income tax and all the DEATH TAX-don't pay their fair share

claiming he "killed Bin Laden"

claiming his stimulus saved the country

tell me why you support Obama-your avatar is rather puzzling BTW
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I make roughly 110K a year and MY ACTUAL income tax rate is 24.4% and HAS been for the last 7 years. So THAT isn't a lie.
As far as your Second claim....opinions are not and never CAN be lies.
He gave the order for Seal Team 6 to take Bin Laden out thus in effect DID kill him. He may not have pulled the trigger himself but the effect is the same. You are nit-picking.
Without TARP II the U.S would have lost more than 3MILLION additional jobs and plunged us into an actual Depression greater than the 'Great Depression'. Nearly All economists agree on this point.
I support Obama because I truly believe he is the better of the 2 candidates. No he isn't perfect no one is nor can be, but as a small business owner My business has gorwn considerably since he took office. I have had to hire quite a few new people to keep up and am STILL looking to hire more.

As far as my Avatar it is just to show my Pride in being from the South.
 
Krystov said:
I agree with you here. Biden was strong however in his discussion, however untrue it was. Ignorant voters would see him winning.
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See, i think they would see him laughing. And ignored his words.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Not according to scientific polling, which I've seen 2 indicate Biden won, 1 was a statistical tie, and none showed Ryan winning.

Reuters/Ipsos (MoE 3.1):

Biden:42%
Ryan: 35%

Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


CBS (MoE 5.0):

Biden:50%
Ryan: 31%

Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News


CNN (MoE 5.0):

Biden:44%
Ryan: 48%

CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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If those people who were polled want to come here and offer their opinion, they are welcome too. Beyond that, polls have no relevance. The topic is who the members of this forum think won.
 
WcBeasley said:
Here is a list just to get started then:

"In one year, (President Obama) provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world … into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tesla and Ener1."
Says President Obama has "doubled" the deficit
"Right now, the (Congressional Budget Office) says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year."
The "48, 49 percent" that supports President Barack Obama are "people who pay no income tax."
President Obama’s lawsuit claims it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period.
President Obama was saying success "is the result of government," not "hard-working people," when he said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Says stimulus money went to buy electric cars from Finland as a payback to Obama supporters.
Says Dow Chemical decided to build a plant in Saudi Arabia rather than Oklahoma due to the impact of environmental regulations on the supply of natural gas.
When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, "we didn’t just slow the rate of growth of our government, we actually cut it." (it actually increased by 5%)
"The president gave the (auto) companies to the UAW."
Says President Barack Obama has opened up no new trade relationships with other nations.
Says the National Labor Relations Board told Boeing that it couldn’t build a factory in South Carolina because South Carolina is a right-to-work state.
"Only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country . . . Barack Obama."
Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.
"I was pretty proud of being the only guy on the stage that ever had a job in the private sector."
"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

And these are just a few of the statements and claims he has made. I can go on and on if you like.
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Cite your sources please. Not only so I can see the validity of this, but so I can read up on it myself.


Even if Romney is lying though, Obama has been lying for longer and about a lot more and the more important issues. The bottom line is Obama has done more harm to the country than he has helped and the statistics on the BLS prove it.
 
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