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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?

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Even though Biden dominated the sole vice-presidential face-off, and performed better than Obama did last week, that might not be enough to affect the polls.

But if Biden got the better of Ryan, nobody is claiming it was as clean or as big a win as Mitt Romney's over President Obama in their first debate — and of course there's still an active discussion on whether vice-presidential debates even matter. So, did Joe Biden's aggressive, bravado debate performance help Obama recover lost ground?

The VP debate changed nothing: Biden's frequent interruptions "likely didn't win him many supporters," says James Rainey at The Los Angeles Times. But Ryan probably didn't "win many hearts, either, when he countered with a bit of snark" about Biden overcompensating for Obama's debate performance. All in all, though, each party will be pleased with its candidate — and nothing in the debate "helped reconfigure the race for the White House."

Some voters still have questions, but "their answers will come from the presidential contenders, not their seconds." On to the next presidential debate.....snip~

Did Joe Biden's bravado debate performance help Obama? - Yahoo! News
 
Dion said:
The poll makes no sense ... read my last post on this thread. The votes for Ryan went from 8 to 68 in a matter of minutes last night with only a handful of posters on the thread. I usually do not notice such yet it was so glaring so I thought possible a software malfunction or maybe just members on stealth mode had signed on and voted enmass.

I do not think the forum functions allows multiple votes. I just logged on and it reads I already voted ... I would think that would be the case for all posters.
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when you log off, you'll see the poll cleared and asking you to vote again. i assume this works; i didn't try it myself.

my guess is that people take advantage of that and vote multiple times.
 
Helix said:
when you log off, you'll see the poll cleared and asking you to vote again. i assume this works; i didn't try it myself.

my guess is that people take advantage of that and vote multiple times.
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A while ago, some guy who was banned came back and messed with the polls repeatedly, and CaptainCourtesy busted him!

Polls in the "Polls" forum are open to visitors. Polls in other places are not. If I understand the forum headings correctly.
 
Gardener said:
You mean, like Romney was doing?

That you see one, but not the other is simply testimony to your partisanship.
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This is simply not true. I will not deny that I am biased, I believe the vast majority of this forum is, on the other hand look at the difference in how people are responding to this debate vs the other one. Its not just Republicans saying Biden came across as a jerk.
 
ecofarm said:
There's a difference between 'aggressive' and 'dismissing and insulting'. Equating Romney's and Biden's behaviour is an intellectually dishonest smear. Romney didn't roll his eyes, laugh heartily at Obama or throw his hands in the air and look up to God.
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I'd like to add: Romney didn't call Obama a liar.
 
Even the libs know Biden blew it. Only one thing will be remembered from this debate. Joe the buffoon.

 
Paratrooper said:
This is simply not true. I will not deny that I am biased, I believe the vast majority of this forum is, on the other hand look at the difference in how people are responding to this debate vs the other one. Its not just Republicans saying Biden came across as a jerk.
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Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.
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How do you explain the fact that youre nearly the only one saying Romneys behavior was anything but normal in the debate? While almost everyone is saying Bidens behavior was strange. Whats more likely? Youre biased? Or everyone else is biased?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.
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Listen to Louis Farrakan or Al Sharptones and Jesse Jackson Lately? :roll:
 
MMC said:
Even though Biden dominated the sole vice-presidential face-off, and performed better than Obama did last week, that might not be enough to affect the polls.

But if Biden got the better of Ryan, nobody is claiming it was as clean or as big a win as Mitt Romney's over President Obama in their first debate — and of course there's still an active discussion on whether vice-presidential debates even matter. So, did Joe Biden's aggressive, bravado debate performance help Obama recover lost ground?

The VP debate changed nothing: Biden's frequent interruptions "likely didn't win him many supporters," says James Rainey at The Los Angeles Times. But Ryan probably didn't "win many hearts, either, when he countered with a bit of snark" about Biden overcompensating for Obama's debate performance. All in all, though, each party will be pleased with its candidate — and nothing in the debate "helped reconfigure the race for the White House."

Some voters still have questions, but "their answers will come from the presidential contenders, not their seconds." On to the next presidential debate.....snip~

Did Joe Biden's bravado debate performance help Obama? - Yahoo! News
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I think the main goal for Biden in this debate was to please and in turn mobilize the base. From what I gather from liberals outside of the media, he did a good job of that because he said everything a lot of us feel and wanted Obama to communicate.
 
Romney is already less "likeable" than the President in the mind of most Americans. Why do you think if he did as you say (act just like Biden did during this debate) get a free pass?
 
Paratrooper said:
Romney is already less "likeable" than the President in the mind of most Americans. Why do you think if he did as you say (act just like Biden did during this debate) get a free pass?
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I assume your talking to me.

Like I said, there's a double standard for aggression. Republicans can be aggressive and Democrats can't. It's the narrative that people of all political background have bought into and one that has frustrated me since Kerry's weak performance. So Romney didn't get a "free pass" so much as his aggression fits in the narrative and Biden's doesn't.
 
jonny5 said:
How do you explain the fact that youre nearly the only one saying Romneys behavior was anything but normal in the debate? While almost everyone is saying Bidens behavior was strange. Whats more likely? Youre biased? Or everyone else is biased?
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I've never made any comments about who's being "normal" or "strange," so what are you talking about?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think the main goal for Biden in this debate was to please and in turn mobilize the base. From what I gather from liberals outside of the media, he did a good job of that because he said everything a lot of us feel and wanted Obama to communicate.
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Thats what all are saying the base of each is back to being energized. Nothing major to hit the polls with this Debate. Although CNN and ABC did report more undecideds not so happy with Biden's Behaviour. Minor shiznit anyways. If they worried about manners and behaviour.

In the meantime what will affect the polls is more coming out on Libya. Which in this next Debate with Obama. Obama won't be able to politicize over any campaigning. Which I figure he will come out this time and Stare Romney in the eyes. Look at the TV land Audience and be more in control over his body language. Hard to criticize Romney when he has not dealt with nor led and all are looking only at Obama's Policies.
 
TurtleDude said:
well given you liked the substance of a lefty like Biden, its a forgone conclusion whose substance you preferred
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Ryan couldn't answer one simple tax loophole question. So yea, I vote for substance.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
What do they have to do with anything?
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Well to be honest I was going to let you tell me their not politicans. Then I was going to come back and throw Alan Simpson and Clinton out there, since you had said this.....

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.....snip~

Since when was Simpson and Clinton ever not aggressive? ;)
 
MMC said:
Thats what all are saying the base of each is back to being energized. Nothing major to hit the polls with this Debate. Although CNN and ABC did report more undecideds not so happy with Biden's Behaviour. Minor shiznit anyways. If they worried about manners and behaviour.

In the meantime what will affect the polls is more coming out on Libya. Which in this next Debate with Obama. Obama won't be able to politicize over any campaigning. Which I figure he will come out this time and Stare Romney in the eyes. Look at the TV land Audience and be more in control over his body language. Hard to criticize Romney when he has not dealt with nor led and all are looking only at Obama's Policies.
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Yeah, the VP debate rarely does much which is why I suspect Biden's aim was to get people who want to vote for Obama more excited.

And I agree with you about how Obama will be in the next debate. He will be more aggressive although less than Biden was and more aware of himself. Romney will probably just do what he did last time since that worked for him. (If ain't broke, don't fix it.)
 
MMC said:
Well to be honest I was going to let you tell me their not politicans. Then I was going to come back and throw Alan Simpson and Clinton out there, since you had said this.....

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive
Right, it's anyone who has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats when it comes to aggressiveness. Democrats are notorious for looking weak and refraining from aggression in comparison to Republicans. As soon as a Democrat does get aggressive, he's all of a sudden "rude" and "disrespectful." Please.....snip~

Since when was Simpson and Clinton ever not aggressive? ;)
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Haha, I like your honesty.

And, to be honest, I knew that someone was going to come back at me with Clinton - not so much Simpson. But sure, there have been Democrats who have been aggressive, but for the most part, Democrats are pansies. They sit back and take it. Kerry did it. Gore did it to an extent. Obama did it. Even Biden did it when he debated Palin. And so on. The aggressive Democrats are MUCH rarer than aggressive Republicans.

But, if I recall correctly, people have criticized Clinton for being "too" aggressive as well which is why he's known as an arrogant jerk, particularly by many on the right so my point holds for him as well.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Like I said, there's a double standard for aggression. Republicans can be aggressive and Democrats can't.
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You're out of your mind. Democrats have "free pass" stamped on their foreheads.

And your Romney / Biden comparison is way off. Romney was assertive, but respectful. Biden was condescending and border line rabid.

Romney won his debate because he came off presidential. Biden lost his debate because he's a disrespectful blowhard.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Haha, I like your honesty.

And, to be honest, I knew that someone was going to come back at me with Clinton - not so much Simpson. But sure, there have been Democrats who have been aggressive, but for the most part, Democrats are pansies. They sit back and take it. Kerry did it. Gore did it to an extent. Obama did it. Even Biden did it when he debated Palin. And so on. The aggressive Democrats are MUCH rarer than aggressive Republicans.

But, if I recall correctly, people have criticized Clinton for being "too" aggressive as well which is why he's known as an arrogant jerk, particularly by many on the right so my point holds for him as well.
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You are right on the rare loud boisteorus type of aggressiveness. But now as to the underhanded back handed sneakiness. Well we will just have to disagree on that one. ;) :2razz:
 
Dooble said:
You're out of your mind. Democrats have "free pass" stamped on their foreheads.

And your Romney / Biden comparison is way off. Romney was assertive, but respectful. Biden was condescending and border line rabid.

Romney won his debate because he came off presidential. Biden lost his debate because he's a disrespectful blowhard.
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Nah, Romney could have easily been classified as disrespectful.

And sure, there are double standards that benefit Democrats over Republicans - see how the public reacts to each groups comments on race. However, in this case, the double standard benefits Republicans.

And as I've said before, I find it hilarious that people think Biden was disrespectful for laughing, but say nothing about disrespectful it was for Ryan to lie, deflect and otherwise insult the intelligence of Americans.
 
I don't think Biden "blew it" per se. His team leader needed a clear win here, and there was no clear winner. In fact, Biden may have been judged the clear winner were it not for his behavior. And btw, this is typical behavior for him. Last election cycle I watched quite a lot of Biden's home visits (small fund raising venues hosted by supporters) and he was every bit as arrogant.
 
MMC said:
You are right on the rare loud boisteorus type of aggressiveness. But now as to the underhanded back handed sneakiness. Well we will just have to disagree on that one. ;) :2razz:
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Fair enough. I can work with that.
 
straykatz said:
Did you find it disrespectful when Romney smirked the whole way through the debate with Obama? I like televised debates but do think radio ones are better for the very reason that it allows people to base opinions on what is said or not said instead of focusing on facial and body expressions.
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I liked this for your comment about listening on the radio. I get most of my news through radio (not talk shows), WBBM Chicago, since I find it more fair and less snarky. I actually didn't notice Romney smirking and don't remember discussions on the board about it, but if you say so, I'll take you at your word. Howsomever (Ha!). There's a difference between smirking and throwing your head back, laughing and rolling your eyes. No?
 
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