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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?


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I personally think Biden walked off with the win in the debate but as was posted earlier it doesn't matter because each side will claim victory. Short of one of the Candidates actually throwing a punch, cursing someone out or walking off the stage both will claim the other did something to lose.
 
The CNN poll had Ryan beating Biden, 48 to 44 percent.

On substance it was a virtual wash, but Biden came across as pushy and disrespectful.

Personally, I don't think anybody came out ahead.

Serious Question ...for mods ao anyone regarding this thread?

I am probably offbase as i do not believe that anyone with capability on this forum would intentional bother to "adjust polls". Last night the poll had Biden ahead by about 20+ votes and suddenly about 60 votes came on for Ryan in about one minute.


it certainly is possible this poll tally is correct yet there were only about 6 posters on the thread.

Can anyone explain this?

As I said ... it very well could be correct and I am missing something and in the grand scheme it does not matter yet I found it odd and out of character or typical of a Debate Politics poll. Any thoughts anyone?

We have Biden at 24 and Ryan at about 6 and within a few minutes Ryan had votes of about 64. Was it just a rush after the debate or a forum malfunction?
 
that's interesting; i wasn't aware that people could log out to vote multiple times.

considering that, the results of this poll are quite different.

Biden : 41 member votes / 44 hidden

Ryan : 29 member votes / 128 hidden

not that i'm arguing that partisans on both sides don't do this in every single poll, you understand.

The poll makes no sense ... read my last post on this thread. The votes for Ryan went from 8 to 68 in a matter of minutes last night with only a handful of posters on the thread. I usually do not notice such yet it was so glaring so I thought possible a software malfunction or maybe just members on stealth mode had signed on and voted enmass.

I do not think the forum functions allows multiple votes. I just logged on and it reads I already voted ... I would think that would be the case for all posters.
 
Well, makes it tuff since you didn't understand the concept of those who are behind Daily Kos. Although, it shouldn't have been so tuff to put 2 and 2 together. Must have been the Numbers.....huh? :doh

Nope. As I pointed out, the numbers in unscientific polls are meaningless. Seems you still don't get it.

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I think it was even in terms of points, Ryan looked more professional. I think what helped Biden the most was after the napalming Obama took Biden didn't get destroyed. Ryan's biggest failings was not really hammering Biden's really dumb comments such as the most serious sanctions and the Libyan knowledge thing

I'll bet Romney told him to maintain his dignity and be polite the entire time. Result: Ryan showed Biden great respect, and always called him Mr Vice President. He didn't raise his voice. He did well for a first timer, against a veteran. He didn't even get close to being stomped by Biden, and did pretty well on foreign issues given Biden's higher level of experience. For now I'm calling it a draw, because some will like Biden's behavior. I think most won't, but we'll see in the next few days.
 
Biden's sneering - and everyone talking about it - might reduce the acceptability of how hard Obama can go on the attack - where before this debate everyone on both sides fully expected him to do so. The Obama-Biden team is starting to risk coming across as extremely arrogant - Obama seeing himself as to above it all to bother with and Biden so sneering down old man.

THE DUMBEST moment in the debate was Biden RAGING that it is irrelevant if Iran obtains enough material to make atomic bombs because "they have nothing to put it into to make a bomb!!!!" Over and over.

That is sooooo ignorant it hard to explain as it is a known simplistic technology back to the very first atomic bomb. Put two halves of enough material for an atomic bomb at each end of a pipe with an explosive charge behind both - shooting the two balls of the material into each other and BOOM! you have an atomic explosion such as WWII. A trip to Home Depot, reload powder from a gunshop, and a hobby shop for a $20 model rocket igniter and you have what you need. An old cut-down cannon barrel or any solid pipe is plenty good.

It is alarming to think our cities' safety is dependence upon that level of scientific and military ignorant - particularly raging ignorance meaning not willing to listen or learn anything contradicting that ignorance.
 
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Yeah, but more complimentary jokes as a result of these kind of performances. Ryan came over as being way out of his depth.

The only credible poll out right now is the CNN poll. Ryan 48. Biden 44. We expect the poltiical hacks to go with their guy, but even such as David Gregory slammed Biden.


Your partisan opinion is noted though.
 
Biden was a condescending old man. He looked foolish. I don't see how he could have helped Obama with younger voters or undecideds.
I think his attack on the intelligence community, blaming them for Obama's insistence that the embassy attack sprung out of a protest, is going to really hurt Obama. There was real time evidence that our embassy was attacked by terrorists. Not only did Obama not protect the embassy on 9-11, but he orchestrated a cover-up about all aspects of the attack and lack of protection.
 
So who do you think won the debate?

It's important to remember that the debate is all about winning the heart and minds of lower-middle class GOP swing voters--working class folk who don't understand numbers/facts but only emotion.

Thus, if all Biden did was act emotional and smirk at Ryan, while Ryan looked professional, then Ryan lost :)
 
It was notable that there was 1/3rd as many tweets as the presidential debate. I think most people changed channels. I had to force myself to watch it after the first half hour and found I was finding excuses to leave the room (go to the kitchen, check on the dogs, adjust the thermostat...) Unfortunately, it didn't become interesting until the last 30 minutes and by then I think most people had turned it off.
 
I'll bet Romney told him to maintain his dignity and be polite the entire time. Result: Ryan showed Biden great respect, and always called him Mr Vice President. He didn't raise his voice. He did well for a first timer, against a veteran. He didn't even get close to being stomped by Biden, and did pretty well on foreign issues given Biden's higher level of experience. For now I'm calling it a draw, because some will like Biden's behavior. I think most won't, but we'll see in the next few days.

He seldom directly call him ANYTHING and there were actually a couple of times he called him Joe. Granted he WAS respectful but other than Biden interupting him The VP was also respectful as well. One can 't call interuptions disrespectful in out modern debate forums because EVERY candidate has done it and WILL do it. Even Ryan interupted Biden a few times. Romney interupted Lerher so many times it was pathetic. But for a first timer in a debate of that scale I will grant that Ryan did do an admirable job.
 
working class folk who don't understand numbers/facts but only emotion.

There it is, the much vaunted "TRUTH".

~"You lower-middle class workers can't handle the truth!" (It's no wonder how some people support genocidal dictators)



fact-fact-fact-fact... afact!
 
Give us a break. All the local polls here(which have a far bigger sampling than 381) shown Ryan got his ass handed to him. You fanatics would claim any debate your candidate showed up at was a victory. The fact you aren't claiming an overwhelming victory is a good indication you know you really lost.

Regardless of who won the debate, I don't condone the behavior put on display by Joe Biden last night. He CLEARLY showed disdain and held a Holier than Thou attitude throughout the debate. As I said before, this is unbecoming of both a politician and a person.
 
Here's a happy looking person

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Here's another happy looking person

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There's a distinct difference between the two and the type of reaction someone would have towards that happiness.

Same can be said for aggression. Aggression is not some on/off switch, it is not a binary thing where it's either 0 or 1, there's degree's and levels.

There was nothing in the Romney / Obama debate that was anywhere close to Romney going "That's a bunch of stuff!". I'd challenge you to find even half as many instances of Romney simply laughing over what Obama was stating. I'd implore you, count the number of times Biden rolled his eyes or rolled his head back in condenscending mock frustration and then count the number of times Romney did similar. Even count the amount of times Romney talked over and interrupted Obama comparitive to the Biden one.

Yes, Romney was aggressive in his debate style. However, to suggest it is similar in aggression to what Biden did is like saying that an air soft bullet is comparable to a .44 magnum in terms of their damaging power. Whether or not that's problematic on the point of Biden is a matter of opinion and will be something to see as polls come out. But to suggest that there is some inconsistency in people liking the way Romney was aggressive but disliking the way Biden was is patentedly ridiculous.
Bull****. Biden and Romney's styles are certainly different to an extent because they are different people, but what's ridiculous is conservatives pretending that they wouldn't have applauded Ryan or Romney if they had the same style as Biden. Biden and Romney were aggressive within their personalities. Romney laughed at Obama as Obama laughed at him. Romney interrupted Obama and the moderator as Joe Biden interrupted Ryan and, to a lesser extent, the moderator. The similarities in their style were more numerous than their differences. All this, "Biden was rude" bull**** is just that. It's a joke. Republicans can be aggressive, they can scream at Obama and call him a liar, but the minute a Democrat does anything close, it's all about rudeness.

Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling. It's the same Republican bull**** that's finally getting old.

You know what's disrespectful? Lying and insulting the intelligence of Americans by continually flip flopping and refusing to actually tell us what the hell you plan to do in office Romney and Ryan continue to do. What's "rude" and "disrespectful" is refusing to answer questions and continually deflecting as Ryan did. Why don't the Republicans stop bitching about Ryan and take some personal responsibility and hold Ryan accountable for his disrespectful dishonesty. Oh wait, personal responsibility only applies to the other guy and respect only applies to how you appear, not who you actually are.
 
Biden's sneering - and everyone talking about it - might reduce the acceptability of how hard Obama can go on the attack - where before this debate everyone on both sides fully expected him to do so. The Obama-Biden team is starting to risk coming across as extremely arrogant - Obama seeing himself as to above it all to bother with and Biden so sneering down old man.

THE DUMBEST moment in the debate was Biden RAGING that it is irrelevant if Iran obtains enough material to make atomic bombs because "they have nothing to put it into to make a bomb!!!!" Over and over.

Nothing dumb about it. Iran doesn't have any enriched uranium OR spent plutonium nuclear fuel rods--the only two weapons-grade substances that can be used for a A-bomb.

What's dumb is when right wingers try to play adult, as shown below. . .

That is sooooo ignorant it hard to explain as it is a known simplistic technology back to the very first atomic bomb. Put two halves of enough material for an atomic bomb at each end of a pipe with an explosive charge behind both -

And where/how is Iran going to get the weapons-grade material to put in the bomb?

Until then, stick w/the talking points conservatives do understand, like Obama's birth certificate, whether he's Muslim, and if he's gonna kill babies. And please don't play w/your Dad's gun. Thank you.
 
A day ago I wondered here if the right would be as honest in assessing a poor performance by their man the way the left did with Obama. I doubted that they would.

The reaction from the right tonight confirms that.

By this assessment Ryan would have stomped Obama had he been in that debate. Obama simply quit. Ryan fought it out to the end.
 
The CNN poll had Ryan beating Biden, 48 to 44 percent.

On substance it was a virtual wash, but Biden came across as pushy and disrespectful.

Personally, I don't think anybody came out ahead.

I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with the CNN poll on what the general populace might vote and this is not about opinion ... I am referencing the DP poll where Biden went from being ahead by almost 20 votes to Ryan in less than a minute collecting 60 votes ahead. I thought it was a forum malfunction.

Did anyone else notice this?
 
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Meh.

Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.

Reading through the various comments in these sorts of threads, I find myself wondering if these are the first debates people have ever seen? Seems par for the course so far.
 
Meh.

Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.

Reading through the various comments in these sorts of threads, I find myself wondering if these are the first debates people have ever seen? Seems par for the course so far.

If the roles were reversed and it was Ryan who was constantly interrupting, laughing, and being snarky, I would have been disgusted. To me that simply has no place in politics. If you want to be the leader of a nation (or the #2), you have to have some self control and some common decency.

There are plenty of articles, and social media post from democrats and republicans that are saying Biden loses points in their mind for coming across as a jerk.
 
It does seem strange.

I have noticed there are more conservatives on this forum than there used to be, though. Maybe it's legit.

I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with the CNN poll on what the general populace might vote and this is not about opinion ... I am referencing the DP poll where Biden went from being ahead by almost 20 votes to Ryan in less than a minute collecting 60 votes ahead. I thought it was a forum malfunction.

Did anyone else notice this?
 
Meh.

Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.

Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.

There's a difference between 'aggressive' and 'dismissing and insulting'. Equating Romney's and Biden's behaviour is an intellectually dishonest smear. Romney didn't roll his eyes, laugh heartily at Obama or throw his hands in the air and look up to God.
 
If the roles were reversed and it was Ryan who was constantly interrupting, laughing, and being snarky, I would have been disgusted.

You mean, like Romney was doing?

That you see one, but not the other is simply testimony to your partisanship.
 
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