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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?

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ecofarm said:
Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President
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Nice catch here EF......

***UPDATE: According to Twitter, the Associated Press also has Ryan winning tonight by a spread of 51-43. I am looking for the link. That would be three polls showing him as the winner.....snip~


Obviously after a few hrs it is clear that Biden did not win as he needed to. Someone mentioned Ryan took the first part while Good Ole Joe took the middle and Ryan the end. Pretty much how most are seeing it. Biden needed a commanding win. This he did not get. Anything showing nothing but total domination by Biden is what the Demos needed. Not something that looks like it even out with some slight margin favoring one side or the other.

So for all the Kool-Aid Drinkers......thats Add water next time and stir! ;)
 
NitroHangover said:
There is a very wide middle ground between the two extremes Obama and Biden have demonstrated so far, guy. It's called professionalism. Wanna know what it looks like? Watch BOTH Republican performances.
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I am not too sure about "two extremes". Mittens may be trying hard to pretend to be a converted conservative but he just does not wear that scary Halloween mask with any amount of convincing swagger. On the other hand we did see the extreme figure of Paul Ryan and his credentials as an extremist are long established.

and yes - I know what you meant. ;)
 
Just google PALIN WINS VP DEBATE and you get tons of articles telling us how the Divine Miss Sarah won over Biden in 2008. And we know how much good that did now don't we? ;):roll:
 
From Daily Kos.....The Demos and lefts peeps, Right?

If anyone fancies making their opinion on tonight's debate know, here are a few web-polls unceremoniously yanked all-but randomly from across the web (at the time of posting, the results seem varied, but quite a few have Ryan winning, which, umm... wasn't what I saw!):

CNBC

The Ed Show (MSNBC)

HuffPo

CNN (bottom-right of page)

WBSM

Arizona Central (middle-right of page)

KSTP

WQAD

Cincinnati.com

KFYO

MarketWatch (WSJ)

WSJ

Annapolis Herald Mail

ABC (middle-right of page)

Denver Post (middle-right of page)

NY Daily News

Kansas City Star

Washington Post (main poll)

E.J. Dionne's Washington Post Opinion page (middle-right of page)

Daily Kos: Links to post VP-debate polls.
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According to most of these polls by Daily Kos.....Ryan is being depicted as the Winner. Now most of these polls are favoring Ryan. Joe needed to Be Like Smoke. Instead he came out like the Fog! :2razz:
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, seems you've that backwards...

Ryan: 44%
Biden: 53‰

Poll: Who Do You Think Won the VP Debate? - U.S. Election 2012 - CNBC

By the way, you still haven't answered ... what did I claim Obama won? Don't pull a "Ryan" on me ... answer the question ...
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According to a tweet from CNBC's verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 - 36% ......snip~

Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President


Uhm.....ya sure ya not seeing things from likes Way out in left field? Did you want another turn to :spin:
 
MMC said:
Nice catch here EF......

***UPDATE: According to Twitter, the Associated Press also has Ryan winning tonight by a spread of 51-43. I am looking for the link. That would be three polls showing him as the winner.....snip~


Obviously after a few hrs it is clear that Biden did not win as he needed to. Someone mentioned Ryan took the first part while Good Ole Joe took the middle and Ryan the end. Pretty much how most are seeing it. Biden needed a commanding win. This he did not get. Anything showing nothing but total domination by Biden is what the Demos needed. Not something that looks like it even out with some slight margin favoring one side or the other.

So for all the Kool-Aid Drinkers......thats Add water next time and stir! ;)
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Seems that by your own standards, it is you who is chugging the koolaid. Twitter has already put out a correction on the AP poll and Breitbart.com was wrong about the cnbc poll, which if you actually go to the cnbc.com site (as opposed to breitbart.com), you'd see that cnbc shows Biden clearly won.
 
MMC said:
From Daily Kos.....The Demos and lefts peeps, Right?

If anyone fancies making their opinion on tonight's debate know, here are a few web-polls unceremoniously yanked all-but randomly from across the web (at the time of posting, the results seem varied, but quite a few have Ryan winning, which, umm... wasn't what I saw!):

CNBC

The Ed Show (MSNBC)

HuffPo

CNN (bottom-right of page)

WBSM

Arizona Central (middle-right of page)

KSTP

WQAD

Cincinnati.com

KFYO

MarketWatch (WSJ)

WSJ

Annapolis Herald Mail

ABC (middle-right of page)

Denver Post (middle-right of page)

NY Daily News

Kansas City Star

Washington Post (main poll)

E.J. Dionne's Washington Post Opinion page (middle-right of page)

Daily Kos: Links to post VP-debate polls.
<<<<< More Here

According to most of these polls by Daily Kos.....Ryan is being depicted as the Winner. Now most of these polls are favoring Ryan. Joe needed to Be Like Smoke. Instead he came out like the Fog! :2razz:
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Umm, those are unscientific online polls. They don't mean squat.
 
I was in class during the debate so I will withhold my vote till I've watched it all. That said I am certainly not getting the same opinion that I have seen from others here. Biden has certainly exceeded my expectations but I don't see him beating Ryan yet.

What I have seen so far a few good back and forth exchanges.
Biden being super snarky
Ryan trying to be respectful.
 
MMC said:
According to a tweet from CNBC's verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 - 36% ......snip~

Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President


Uhm.....ya sure ya not seeing things from likes Way out in left field? Did you want another turn to :spin:
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Holy ****! You're looking at breitbart.com, not cnbc.com. That you're taking breitbart.com' word of a cnbc poll over cnbc.com's word says it all.

Who do you think won the vice presidential debate?

Paul Ryan
44%

Joe Biden
53%

Neither
4%

Poll: Who Do You Think Won the VP Debate? - U.S. Election 2012 - CNBC

Total Votes: 130130

... not that it matters anyway as it too is an unscientific online poll.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, those are unscientific online polls. They don't mean squat.
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Must mean something to the left huh.....especially with all their pundits talking about the exact opposite of what you are. But coming from Daily KOS. Pretty much says it all.....eh?

Just how do you get around the Lefts Own Ataack Dogs, making such statements!

Course when you can prove any of these polls are really scientific that in itself might lead to a nice lil debate too!
 
Anyone thinking Ryan won this debate is basing it on style, not substance. Just like the Romney/Obama debate.
 
MMC said:
Must mean something to the left huh.....especially with all their pundits talking about the exact opposite of what you are. But coming from Daily KOS. Pretty much says it all.....eh?

Just how do you get around the Lefts Own Ataack Dogs, making such statements!

Course when you can prove any of these polls are really scientific that in itself might lead to a nice lil debate too!
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Given the links to them were on DailyKos, I would say they were put there to make it easy for Liberals to vote on them. But again, they're unscientific online polls ... meaningless.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Anyone thinking Ryan won this debate is basing it on style, not substance. Just like the Romney/Obama debate.
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Vice President Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) traded furious blows Thursday night in a highly contentious vice presidential debate.

There was no clear winner in the first and only showdown between the vice presidential candidates, with both sides making strong cases for their running mates at the top of their respective tickets. But perhaps the most prominent feature of the debate in Danville, Ky., was Biden’s incredulous demeanor. The vice president repeatedly dismissed Ryan with laughter, eye rolling and even an “Oh, god!” in an evening of quips and comebacks.....snip~

Biden and Ryan exchange verbal blows in contentious debate - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Course the Hill out of D.C. and all their writers wouldn't know what they were talking about either......huh?

Yeah Biden wins for showing he was good off the cuff with his comebacks. He needed to hit a grand slam to change the polls direction. He got a double and then was thrown out heading to the plate.

Hence Obama crying about the GOP politicizing issues over Libya. Now with more and more coming out to prove his Administraions Incompetancy and the dropping of the ball. Do you think Obama should be mentioning the word Polticize while on his Blame game?

Notice with Joe......we inherited this mess blah blah blah.

Here's one for Joe and Team Obama.....Does any who get Elected whether from the Left or the Right, inherit what they are walking into? DUH!!!!!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Given the links to them were on DailyKos, I would say they were put there to make it easy for Liberals to vote on them. But again, they're unscientific online polls ... meaningless.
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Yet not meaningless to all those Daily Kos followers.....Such as MSDNC, NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, and Huff-po.

Then there is the DNC and all those Democratic Politicians.

So you mean to tell me all these polls were put up for liberals to vote on. But for some reason they really didnt vote? < Sly grin> Nice Try!!!!!
 
Ok I've watched it all.

To be upfront I disagree with most of what Biden stands for. I think it was fairly even for the most part. There were times that he (Biden) made good arguments. His snickering, interrupting, etc I think is what tipped the scales in Ryan's favor. I do see what some are saying about how they didn't like how vague Ryan could be at times, I found this disappointing as well, but there were plenty of other times where I felt like he was really sticking it to Biden.

I think people are secretly (maybe even subconsciously) giving Biden a boost simply because he didn't do terrible and they expected him to.
 
My personal opinion:

Biden was indeed more aggressive than Ryan (and Romney or Obama) for 1h and 20min out of the 1h and 30min total of the debate.

That being said.
The last 10-15min were the only ones that really, really counted. Because they scored all the points needed. However, Ryan won those last minutes hands down. I don't know if that wins him the debate, but he scored all the things he needed to 1h and 20min to get out in those 4-6min he had from the closing part.

That being said.

On foreign policy it was both a wash. they both agreed and disagreed and eventually nobody won there. Maybe Biden scored some more points with people who are anti-war than Ryan did but Ryan came off pretty anti-war despite being painted pro-war.

On domestic policy... the debt and such, Biden pushed Ryan aside with his constant interfering. I think the american people will and should tax his rudeness but then again, that might be appealing to a certain number of people. So I would count it as even. The one thing that caught my eye there was the fact in regards to private social security > privately owned retirement that is. Why not? we have that in Europe. There are private retirement funds for citizens aside from the public social security and it works well. People in France for instance have 2-4 retirement pensions, one from the state, the rest from groups who do this business in the private sector. It is a great system and the fact that Ryan wants to implement it is a good thing overall for the USA. I do however find that the age where it should start is for those under 30 or 25, not for those under 54.

On religious discussion... it was a tie. Generally, I think Biden did a bit better but Ryan seemed also more humane and managed to humanize the entire policy of Romney. Overall, I think that was their goal through these debates. I will be certain once the next one kicks is. Is Romney/Ryan trying to humanize their policy more than trying to just give the record cold on. It seems to be their primary concern.

And again... the closing 10-15min were the most important ones and I think Ryan came off better there.

So by a very narrow streak, Ryan won. A very, very narrow streak.

If there is a poll where I can say both won, I would say that.
 
The American people.

:vomit:
 
I wasn't really impressed by either candidate, but Biden REALLY turned me off by acting like an arrogant uncivil jackass the entire time.
 
ReformCollege said:
If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.
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he was 69th in a class of 67 at Syracuse Law
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Anyone thinking Ryan won this debate is basing it on style, not substance. Just like the Romney/Obama debate.
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well given you liked the substance of a lefty like Biden, its a forgone conclusion whose substance you preferred
 
Who won? Depends upon who you talk to and what sources you read.

It's hard to find logic in this nation. It's all emotional knee jerk, IMHO
 
Biden took this round.

I repeat my proposal from the previous debate : candidate's mic should be off outside of his or her allotted time. it is the only way to keep candidates from going over or from interrupting each other. Biden did recognize the current dynamic, though, and exploited it more effectively. Ryan held his own, but I'd say Biden put in more time on aggressive offense, and that seems to be the name of the game in 2012.
 
Biden hands down....slapped the kid around like the punk he is
 
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