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Who won the VP Debate?

Who won?


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Are (some) of you people serious? Romney comes out aggressive and everyone gives him the auto win. Biden comes out as aggressive and he's being a jerk and Ryan's "professional"? LOL, give me a break.

Like I said, it's a double-standard. Republicans are allowed to be aggressive, but Democrats are not.

Fortunately, Joe missed that memo. :)
 
Like I said, it's a double-standard. Republicans are allowed to be aggressive, but Democrats are not.

Fortunately, Joe missed that memo. :)

Like I said in another thread, there is a difference between being aggressive and being rude and uncivil. Both candidates were aggressive, but Biden's laughing, smirks and more frequent interruptions came of as being rude and uncivil.
 
I agree a lot of that. It was clear from the start that part of Biden's strategy was to make Ryan look like a naive boy. His laughter and interruption did that. He could have backed off a bit more since he had pretty much already made his point about that early on.

However, I don't think Biden's style is irritated so much as the context of the aggression was different. Romney was being aggressive towards a President and Biden was being aggressive towards a young candidate. From my point of view, that context has determined people's perception of Biden more than Biden's actual behavior. Romney's comes across as less threatening and Biden's as more so because of that context.

I think we might be splitting hairs back and forth, so I will just say I mostly like your analysis, just in case you get a different perception from down below.

It could have been placement of microphones, the seating, however. However, through my speakers, Biden's voice was at first more effective at being present. Thereafter, it seemed to grow irritated, and reminded me quite a bit of the arguments I had with my Grandfather when he would get very heated.
 
Like I said, it's a double-standard. Republicans are allowed to be aggressive, but Democrats are not.

Fortunately, Joe missed that memo. :)
I agree and I think a lot of Democrats have that double standard themselves.

I've always been frustrated with Democrats because they're often weak in politics when the Republicans are always aggressive. I'm thrilled that Biden was that aggressive tonight.
 
The debate was over for Ryan the first time he was pressed for specifics and engaged in all kinds of shuffle to avoid answering. The American people clearly saw that Romney/Ryan is a bunch of Malarkey
 
I think we might be splitting hairs back and forth, so I will just say I mostly like your analysis, just in case you get a different perception from down below.

It could have been placement of microphones, the seating, however. However, through my speakers, Biden's voice was at first more effective at being present. Thereafter, it seemed to grow irritated, and reminded me quite a bit of the arguments I had with my Grandfather when he would get very heated.
I didn't notice irritation. I noticed disbelief and a mocking tone, but it honestly seemed to me that Biden was too amused by Ryan to be irritated. I could be wrong though.
 
I agree a lot of that. It was clear from the start that part of Biden's strategy was to make Ryan look like a naive boy. His laughter and interruption did that. He could have backed off a bit more since he had pretty much already made his point about that early on.

However, I don't think Biden's style is irritated so much as the context of the aggression was different. Romney was being aggressive towards a President and Biden was being aggressive towards a young candidate. From my point of view, that context has determined people's perception of Biden more than Biden's actual behavior. Romney's comes across as less threatening and Biden's as more so because of that context.

Good point.

I remember when Biden debated Palin. Biden acted like a complete gentleman and let her off with hyteria and complete absurdity. I kept thinking ...why doe he only call her out here and there and stand and smile.

Biden read it right with Palin ... if he would have called her out on reality and her ditzy performance and lack of facts he would have appeared as a man bullying a dumb female.

The Romney/Ryan campaign had set a tone of deception and no plan and flip flopping and Ryan is not a little boy and swaggers about without any details of "his ' plan or of Romney of his "plan". Biden read it right and how to respond.

Romney and Ryan have been short on facts and clearly Biden had a job to do and he did with it with facts, calm and Biden won on that and made Ryan look a bit jittery and foolish.


All in all ... VP choice is both important and unimportant.

If they screw up their choice like McCain did it can be political malpractice. McCains age and health to have chosen a VP such as Palin doomed McCain and was political malpractice. I was disappointed in McCain as a human.

Ryan is too radical tea party Ayn Rand and clearly not solid yet he did not make any major gaffes.

Biden won on substance, yet Ryan did not gain or lose for Romney.

Biden is the right VP for Obama who is a resolute intellectual. Biden is solid and his constituents know he will fight for the middle class and he is honest. Biden came off as REAL!

I like him ...and to think he is 25 years Ryan's senior and he is attractive, intelligent, calm and has leadership. He was on target with his facts!

Obama*Biden!
 
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Biden clearly won. Not because he was on the attack, but because he answered the questions he was asked. Ryan seemed to keep taking a side step and saying what Obama hasn't done instead of saying what Romney would do. It was so bad that the moderator has to ask him to answer a question. Even then, Ryan still side stepped. They are going to re-air the debate in a few minutes on C-SPAN. Re-watch and take notes.

If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.
 
I found out that Biden has an affinity for being an ass cactus and interrupting people, that's pretty much it.
 
Krauthammer commented afterward that without the benefit of TV, Biden might have appeared on paper or to a radio listener as the winner. But he was on TV, and the split screen did him no favors as he continually mugged, smirked, interrupted, rolled his eyes, and was generally supercilious and disrespectful. He lacked gravitas, and his imbecilic smiling was just awful.
 
I think Biden could've acted more professional..and instead of smirking and smiling verbally called Ryan out with "YOU LIE" :lamo
 
If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.

He did not win.

CNN

Who won
Ryan 48%
Biden 44%

More in touch with the problems of the people
Ryan 51%
Biden 44%

More likeable
Ryan 53%
Biden 43%
 
:lol: At someone fudging the poll.
 
He did not win.

CNN

Who won
Ryan 48%
Biden 44%

More in touch with the problems of the people
Ryan 51%
Biden 44%

More likeable
Ryan 53%
Biden 43%

Statistical tie on the first account (5 on the margin of error), the last two I do not know.

You're being unnecessarily misleading.
 
There were a few things I found wrong with this debate. Firstly I think Biden was VERY disrespectful to Ryan in his "are you serious" smirks and reactions to the things Ryan was saying. People seem to be taking the things the Obama campaign on faith, which are mostly untrue. The Obama campaign has failed to put forth anything but attacks. I have yet to see a plan or any steps to improving the middle class that make any sense at all. Secondly, I think Ryan was unfairly moderated. There were several occasions in which the moderator would ask Ryan a question and then if not interrupted by Biden, would be soon interrupted by the moderator herself! You can't ask a question and then interrupt before they have a chance to answer. Ryan was trying to provide specifics about the tax reform but didn't get a fair chance to answer the question before the moderator wanted to move on. Furthermore, Biden interrupted Ryan FAR too often. I can see how this is payback for Romney's performance against Obama in the first debate though, but that does not excuse Biden's disrespectful reactions. Finally, Biden's explanation for the Benghazi attack was just incorrect. They initially received evidence to support the claims about the movie and that they had never gotten any requests for aid or extra security. They did, in fact, receive requests for aid and that was proven in the hearing that those requests were denied and no aid was provided. Two weeks it took them to call it a terror attack when they knew within 24 hours. Biden also said that we will certainly know when Iran has the capability to weaponize a nuclear prototype, but it takes them 2 weeks to call something that is obviously a terror attack, a terror attack? Logically makes no sense.
 
A lot of people think that the Romney/Ryan plan is some simple answer. Economics and business are never simple and cannot be fixed on a whim with a single sentence explanation. No one seems to be giving Romney nor Ryan the chance to explain themselves. They've tried to lay it out and make it as simple as possible but even the simplest of explanations land on deaf ears if they are incomplete.
 
If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.

You sound like a liberal whining about Reagan and McCain's tough talk. This is a bit odd, don't you think?
 
Statistical tie on the first account (5 on the margin of error), the last two I do not know.

You're being unnecessarily misleading.

Bull**** (to the second point). I do not expect you to read my other posts on this account, as they are buried in these threads.

Here's the point. Ryan was the overwhelming least known candidate. People's opinion of Ryan is what was to be decided tonight. 80% of America isn't close to the political savvy of posters here.

Call it a statistical draw. Ryan wins.

Otherwise, no one votes for VP. Despite all the nonsense that Joe had to revive Obama, only Obama can do that. While either candidate tonight could have flubbed, and that ticket suffered, the point is that barring a flub, only one could score tangible gains if both held their own. Ryan did.

Do you understand now ?
 
Bull**** (to the second point). I do not expect you to read my other posts on this account, as they are buried in these threads.

Here's the point. Ryan was the overwhelming least known candidate. People's opinion of Ryan is what was to be decided tonight. 80% of America isn't close to the political savvy of posters here.

Call it a statistical draw. Ryan wins.

Otherwise, no one votes for VP. Despite all the nonsense that Joe had to revive Obama, only Obama can do that. While either candidate tonight could have flubbed, and that ticket suffered, the point is that barring a flub, only one could score tangible gains if both held their own. Ryan did.

Do you understand now ?

You elevate Ryan due to his low expectations, but you dismiss the claims that Biden's performance could have boosted Obama's standing in public perception? How self-serving at best, and naive at worst.
 
A lot of people think that the Romney/Ryan plan is some simple answer. Economics and business are never simple and cannot be fixed on a whim with a single sentence explanation. No one seems to be giving Romney nor Ryan the chance to explain themselves. They've tried to lay it out and make it as simple as possible but even the simplest of explanations land on deaf ears if they are incomplete.

It is actually the opposite. Romney and Ryan have had AMPLE time to explain the specifics. They choose to loop around and essentially say nothing
 
You elevate Ryan due to his low expectations, but you dismiss the claims that Biden's performance could have boosted Obama's standing in public perception? How self-serving at best, and naive at worst.

I guess that I have to say it again for the impaired. No one is voting VP on Nov 6. Check Dan Quayle in 1988.

Tonight, it was Biden and/or Ryan boosting the limited range of their standing. Ryan had the biggest standing to fill. He filled it real well.

Spare me your sophomoric BS too. You want to talk about me ? STFU. Talk about the candidates.
 
I guess that I have to say it again for the impaired. No one is voting VP on Nov 6. Check Dan Quayle in 1988.

Tonight, it was Biden and/or Ryan boosting the limited range of their standing. Ryan had the biggest standing to fill. He filled it real well.

Spare me you sophomoric BS too. You want to talk abut me ? STFU. Talk about the candidates.

I am impaired, by the way.

Next: Yes, the tickets are impacted by the debates in the media play, and it goes both ways. They both came ahead while statistically gaining little to no ground. First you mislead about the polls declaring Ryan the winner, then you do it again by dismissing the idea that Obama can claim just as much of a victory by having the talk of the ticket remain stronger, the momentum gaining.

You talked about me first, bub.
 
To me, it was kind of a draw. I thought Biden made a better case but his behavior was very distressing. I'm exactly the same age as Biden and I don't smirk and I don't interrupt, no matter my passion for a topic.

One side wants to "help the poor" with magical money. The other side wants to cut taxes since we have magical money.

In all my years as a magician, I was never able to increase my expenses or lower my income without serious consequences.

They both have SOME good ideas. Too bad we can't just pick the good ones without the bad coming along on the same order.

Depressing, really.
 
To me, it was kind of a draw. I thought Biden made a better case but his behavior was very distressing. I'm exactly the same age as Biden and I don't smirk and I don't interrupt, no matter my passion for a topic.

One side wants to "help the poor" with magical money. The other side wants to cut taxes since we have magical money.

In all my years as a magician, I was never able to increase my expenses or lower my income without serious consequences.

They both have SOME good ideas. Too bad we can't just pick the good ones without the bad coming along on the same order.

Depressing, really.

Quite frankly the answer is to raise taxes AND cut spending, massively.
 
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