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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Biden clearly won this round. Ryan spent much of the night running away from answering direct questions.
    Actually, the polls say Biden lost. Clearly lost.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    The thing is, Romney wasn't particularly aggressive in the first debate. Pres. Obama was just an empty chair.

    Surely Biden was instructed to be aggressive but he overcompensated and it backfired - badly. He probably would have been the clear winner if not for the smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool but the topic of conversation on pretty much every network right now is that smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool.

    What does it say when for the second debate in a row we're talking about the Democrats' bizarre debate behavior?
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Hey. If you are "impaired", then my apologies. I meant it only as "politically impaired".

    The discussion as to whether or not Biden can restore confidence in Obama is valid to ask. But only because we tolerate folks being naive in what they ask. Sure, the liberals will claim "yeah Obama" cause Biden did not do as poorly as Obama. What I am saying is that it does not matter with regard to elevating a ticket. It never has. VP's just don't matter in lifting a ticket, as Bentson outshone Quayle, and it did not matter. The only thing to be gained tonight was for one candidate to really suck, and the other then benefit. That essentially did not happen, although the polls will show that the younger Ryan faired better.

    The primary change in the dynamic is that Ryan is now a known quantity. He carried his water just fine. He not only did not suck, but he resonated very well.

    Biden will be remembered with the undecideds for one thing.

    Petulence.
    You're right about VP debates having no impact on elections. I believe Biden won this debate; but I also believe that Obama will not benefit from it. There are still two more presidential debates and it's going to be up to Obama to win them.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Romney's strategy depends on loopholes. The major loopholes are the favored rates on capital gains and dividends. It's pretty hard for me to figure out what all these OTHER loopholes are that would make up for a tax decrease of this magnitude. Indeed, none were mentioned and yet somehow this loss of revenue is going to be just fine?

    Obama's strategy is to spend his heart out and somehow find enough rvenue in a 6% tax increase on the small percentage of people that apparently have so many loopholes that these were going to make up for Romney's cuts.

    The math on both is pretty flaky. They're both full of ****.

    I think Dashing American summed it up. Unfortunately, Dashing isn't the candidate or I'd vote for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    They both want to lower taxes on the middle class. Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy. The best way I can put this is you have 10 apples, 5 in each of 2 baskets. Obama wants to take two apples (taxes) out of one basket and put them into the other basket. You still have 10 apples. This doesn't address the deficit at all. The tax loopholes will still exist for the rich. Romney wants to lower taxes on everyone, while reducing the amount of loopholes the wealthy can take advantage of. In this fashion they will pay MORE in taxes than presently while the middle class pays less. This in addition to cutting superfluous spending will, hopefully, have a positive impact on the deficit. The Obama administration has not provided any logical plan that leads to the decrease in the deficit. These last 4 years are evidence of their "plan"'s failure to do what they claim it would.
    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Quite frankly the answer is to raise taxes AND cut spending, massively.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Are (some) of you people serious? Romney comes out aggressive and everyone gives him the auto win. Biden comes out as aggressive and he's being a jerk and Ryan's "professional"? LOL, give me a break.
    I haven't watched it yet, but the comments so far, not to mention the likes, are pretty much just right down the party lines. When I watch it, I bet I'll think Ryan won. Lol.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    The thing is, Romney wasn't particularly aggressive in the first debate. Pres. Obama was just an empty chair.

    Surely Biden was instructed to be aggressive but he overcompensated and it backfired - badly. He probably would have been the clear winner if not for the smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool but the topic of conversation on pretty much every network right now is that smirking, laughing, eye rolling, and grinning like a damn fool. They just can't be doing too well if once again the topic of conversation is on the Democrats' bizarre debate behavior.
    Looked to me like he was having fun kicking Ryan's ass. You may think Joe's smirking backfired but I don't see any evidence that Ryan won on the issues.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're right about VP debates having no impact on elections. I believe Biden won this debate; but I also believe that Obama will not benefit from it. There are still two more presidential debates and it's going to be up to Obama to win them.
    Well, CNN has Ryan winning by a little bit. Which means he sure did not lose. Ryan had the most to lose, as he was the most unlnown quantity in the debates. While I agree that a VP does not elevate a ticket, with a major gaff, they can pull it down.

    Biden took the whole petulance thing way too far. That's what the focus groups are saying. Without all the smirking and interrupting, etc., he might have prevailed. Otherwise, as we move forward, Biden's petulence will be the story line. That's a loss.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I will never understand how anyone can say Biden won........Ryan whipped the condescending Biden like a stepchild........Biden was totally unprofessional with his smiling and interrupting tactics.........
    Ryan could have not showed up and I suspect you'd still say he whipped Biden.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Romney's strategy depends on loopholes. The major loopholes are the favored rates on capital gains and dividends. It's pretty hard for me to figure out what all these OTHER loopholes are that would make up for a tax decrease of this magnitude. Indeed, none were mentioned and yet somehow this loss of revenue is going to be just fine?

    Obama's strategy is to spend his heart out and somehow find enough rvenue in a 6% tax increase on the small percentage of people that apparently have so many loopholes that these were going to make up for Romney's cuts.

    The math on both is pretty flaky. They're both full of ****.

    I think Dashing American summed it up. Unfortunately, Dashing isn't the candidate or I'd vote for him.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Looked to me like he was having fun kicking Ryan's ass. You may think Joe's smirking backfired but I don't see any evidence that Ryan won on the issues.
    CNN, hardly a Conservative bastion.

    Ryan: 48%

    Biden: 44%

    You can see that ..... right ?

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