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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    To me, it was kind of a draw. I thought Biden made a better case but his behavior was very distressing. I'm exactly the same age as Biden and I don't smirk and I don't interrupt, no matter my passion for a topic.

    One side wants to "help the poor" with magical money. The other side wants to cut taxes since we have magical money.

    In all my years as a magician, I was never able to increase my expenses or lower my income without serious consequences.

    They both have SOME good ideas. Too bad we can't just pick the good ones without the bad coming along on the same order.

    Depressing, really.
    They both want to lower taxes on the middle class. Obama wants to increase taxes on the wealthy. The best way I can put this is you have 10 apples, 5 in each of 2 baskets. Obama wants to take two apples (taxes) out of one basket and put them into the other basket. You still have 10 apples. This doesn't address the deficit at all. The tax loopholes will still exist for the rich. Romney wants to lower taxes on everyone, while reducing the amount of loopholes the wealthy can take advantage of. In this fashion they will pay MORE in taxes than presently while the middle class pays less. This in addition to cutting superfluous spending will, hopefully, have a positive impact on the deficit. The Obama administration has not provided any logical plan that leads to the decrease in the deficit. These last 4 years are evidence of their "plan"'s failure to do what they claim it would.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I am impaired, by the way.

    Next: Yes, the tickets are impacted by the debates in the media play, and it goes both ways. They both came ahead while statistically gaining little to no ground. First you mislead about the polls declaring Ryan the winner, then you do it again by dismissing the idea that Obama can claim just as much of a victory by having the talk of the ticket remain stronger, the momentum gaining.

    You talked about me first, bub.
    Hey. If you are "impaired", then my apologies. I meant it only as "politically impaired".

    The discussion as to whether or not Biden can restore confidence in Obama is valid to ask. But only because we tolerate folks being naive in what they ask. Sure, the liberals will claim "yeah Obama" cause Biden did not do as poorly as Obama. What I am saying is that it does not matter with regard to elevating a ticket. It never has. VP's just don't matter in lifting a ticket, as Bentson outshone Quayle, and it did not matter. The only thing to be gained tonight was for one candidate to really suck, and the other then benefit. That essentially did not happen, although the polls will show that the younger Ryan faired better.

    The primary change in the dynamic is that Ryan is now a known quantity. He carried his water just fine. He not only did not suck, but he resonated very well.

    Biden will be remembered with the undecideds for one thing.

    Petulence.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I just finished watching it. Points-wise, I think Ryan was winning through the first quarter, Biden won the middle two quarters, and Ryan took the last quarter. That makes it more or less a draw on points, in my estimation.

    On style and likability, Ryan ran away with it through the entire debate. I dunno what Biden thought he was doing (trying to be the anti-Obama as per the first debate, I suppose), but he was embarrassingly childish and unprofessional. He did not walk away from this looking good, at all.

    Tie on substance, Ryan on style.

    Ryan wins.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Which one was complaining at the end ~"so, he gets 40 seconds and I only get 15?"

    If I was the moderator, I woulda been like "yes, go".

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Which one was complaining at the end ~"so, he gets 40 seconds and I only get 15?"

    If I was the moderator, I woulda been like "yes, go".
    Yeah, I can't believe he squabbled over that when he got a minute or two more talk time through the entire debate than Ryan did. Especially with all of the hijacking interruptions he made.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Biden clearly won. Not because he was on the attack, but because he answered the questions he was asked. Ryan seemed to keep taking a side step and saying what Obama hasn't done instead of saying what Romney would do. It was so bad that the moderator has to ask him to answer a question. Even then, Ryan still side stepped. They are going to re-air the debate in a few minutes on C-SPAN. Re-watch and take notes.

    Ryan's no dummy, he's not going to answer a question knowing that he's going to get criticized for the answer.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So who do you think won the debate?
    Biden clearly won this round. Ryan spent much of the night running away from answering direct questions.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Yeah, I can't believe he squabbled over that when he got a minute or two more talk time through the entire debate than Ryan did. Especially with all of the hijacking interruptions he made.
    I listened on the radio, caught some of that "he gets 40 and I get 15" and wondered "well, who's crying?"

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Ryan's no dummy, he's not going to answer a question knowing that he's going to get criticized for the answer.
    Well if Ryan had honest and concrete answers, his answers could withstand such criticism. The reason he ran from answering was because you're right in the sense he's no dummy -- he knew his answers could not withstand criticism.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I will never understand how anyone can say Biden won........Ryan whipped the condescending Biden like a stepchild........Biden was totally unprofessional with his smiling and interrupting tactics.........
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