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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think we might be splitting hairs back and forth, so I will just say I mostly like your analysis, just in case you get a different perception from down below.

    It could have been placement of microphones, the seating, however. However, through my speakers, Biden's voice was at first more effective at being present. Thereafter, it seemed to grow irritated, and reminded me quite a bit of the arguments I had with my Grandfather when he would get very heated.
    I didn't notice irritation. I noticed disbelief and a mocking tone, but it honestly seemed to me that Biden was too amused by Ryan to be irritated. I could be wrong though.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree a lot of that. It was clear from the start that part of Biden's strategy was to make Ryan look like a naive boy. His laughter and interruption did that. He could have backed off a bit more since he had pretty much already made his point about that early on.

    However, I don't think Biden's style is irritated so much as the context of the aggression was different. Romney was being aggressive towards a President and Biden was being aggressive towards a young candidate. From my point of view, that context has determined people's perception of Biden more than Biden's actual behavior. Romney's comes across as less threatening and Biden's as more so because of that context.
    Good point.

    I remember when Biden debated Palin. Biden acted like a complete gentleman and let her off with hyteria and complete absurdity. I kept thinking ...why doe he only call her out here and there and stand and smile.

    Biden read it right with Palin ... if he would have called her out on reality and her ditzy performance and lack of facts he would have appeared as a man bullying a dumb female.

    The Romney/Ryan campaign had set a tone of deception and no plan and flip flopping and Ryan is not a little boy and swaggers about without any details of "his ' plan or of Romney of his "plan". Biden read it right and how to respond.

    Romney and Ryan have been short on facts and clearly Biden had a job to do and he did with it with facts, calm and Biden won on that and made Ryan look a bit jittery and foolish.


    All in all ... VP choice is both important and unimportant.

    If they screw up their choice like McCain did it can be political malpractice. McCains age and health to have chosen a VP such as Palin doomed McCain and was political malpractice. I was disappointed in McCain as a human.

    Ryan is too radical tea party Ayn Rand and clearly not solid yet he did not make any major gaffes.

    Biden won on substance, yet Ryan did not gain or lose for Romney.

    Biden is the right VP for Obama who is a resolute intellectual. Biden is solid and his constituents know he will fight for the middle class and he is honest. Biden came off as REAL!

    I like him ...and to think he is 25 years Ryan's senior and he is attractive, intelligent, calm and has leadership. He was on target with his facts!

    Obama*Biden!
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The difference depends on which side your on and how honest you are about your bias.
    I doubt you honestly have a case, but please go on.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Biden clearly won. Not because he was on the attack, but because he answered the questions he was asked. Ryan seemed to keep taking a side step and saying what Obama hasn't done instead of saying what Romney would do. It was so bad that the moderator has to ask him to answer a question. Even then, Ryan still side stepped. They are going to re-air the debate in a few minutes on C-SPAN. Re-watch and take notes.
    If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

    Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I found out that Biden has an affinity for being an ass cactus and interrupting people, that's pretty much it.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Krauthammer commented afterward that without the benefit of TV, Biden might have appeared on paper or to a radio listener as the winner. But he was on TV, and the split screen did him no favors as he continually mugged, smirked, interrupted, rolled his eyes, and was generally supercilious and disrespectful. He lacked gravitas, and his imbecilic smiling was just awful.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I think Biden could've acted more professional..and instead of smirking and smiling verbally called Ryan out with "YOU LIE"
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    If Biden won, its only because he doesn't know when its his turn to talk.

    Hard to believe this guy is one step away from having the nuclear codes.
    He did not win.

    CNN

    Who won
    Ryan 48%
    Biden 44%

    More in touch with the problems of the people
    Ryan 51%
    Biden 44%

    More likeable
    Ryan 53%
    Biden 43%

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    He did not win.

    CNN

    Who won
    Ryan 48%
    Biden 44%

    More in touch with the problems of the people
    Ryan 51%
    Biden 44%

    More likeable
    Ryan 53%
    Biden 43%
    Statistical tie on the first account (5 on the margin of error), the last two I do not know.

    You're being unnecessarily misleading.
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