That's democracy for you, though: decided by the majority, and the majority are idiots.
Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
First, which are "important" and which indicates a "win" are two separate things arguably. Debates aren't watched only by undecideds, nor does a debate only effect undecideds. When you have a multitude of polls with varying results regarding who won or not I think you're hard pressed to say either one "Wiped the floor" with the other.
Not to mention, if one wishes to use such over the top rhetoric to describe what Biden did to Ryan then I would like to know what their equivalent would be for the Romney - Obama debate? This is similar to my issue with people declaring 2008 a landslide victory. When you begin to make over the top, hyperbolic proclamations to describe a situation that doesn't warrant it you essentially falsely lower the bar for such praise.
Second, I was pointing out the error in the pathetic hyper partisan attack attempted by Disney in suggesting that the reason one would think that Biden didn't "wipe the floor" with Ryan was because you'd be watching "Faux News" and that "most of the rest of the country" agreed with him. I pointed out that such an accusation is not just idiotic, but ignorant of reality, since entities other than Fox News....such as CNN....clearly gave an indication opposite of what Disney is saying.
Third, by looking at JUST the independents poll and actually examining the numbers there one would be very, very hard pressed to say that Biden "Wiped the floor" with Ryan. Wiping the floor gives the impression of a clear cut defeat that leaves the challenger weakened as the victor stands over top. This is simply not the case with regards to the VP debate based on the poll you're siting as a reference to Biden winning. I’ll quote a post I made concerning this, and comparing it to the Obama/Romney numbers from the same type of poll, to show you the numbers (editing a bunch of the post away, click the link if you want to read it in depth):
My issue is in no way with the suggestion that Biden won the debate. One can clearly make the argument, easily in some cases depending on how one would like to term the method of judging a “Win”. My issue was with:
1. Claiming Biden "cleaned Ryan's clock and left him sitting there like a school boy caught with his pants down" when multiple polls show it even, if not a Ryan victory, and even the one poll that shows a Biden victory still shows a strong and positive performance by Ryan
2. Suggesting that the reason one would think Biden didn’t win was simply because the person watches “Faux News” and that “most of the rest of the country” felt Biden “wiped the floor” with Ryan.
Last edited by Zyphlin; 10-16-12 at 02:41 PM.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
BTW Navy, did you ever get a third legitimate vote for Romney in your other poll......ROTFLMFAO!
Women (Nasty or otherwise) are going to be the reason that Donald Trump is NEVER President!