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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    His campaign ad that I have started a thread about-claiming someone making 50K a year pays a higher effective income tax than Romney-massive lie

    claiming the rich-the top one percent who pay 40% of the income tax and all the DEATH TAX-don't pay their fair share

    claiming he "killed Bin Laden"

    claiming his stimulus saved the country

    tell me why you support Obama-your avatar is rather puzzling BTW
    Don't forget the Benghazi attacks. That's the ringer in my opinion.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Cite your sources please. Not only so I can see the validity of this, but so I can read up on it myself.


    Even if Romney is lying though, Obama has been lying for longer and about a lot more and the more important issues. The bottom line is Obama has done more harm to the country than he has helped and the statistics on the BLS prove it.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    See, i think they would see him laughing. And ignored his words.
    Oh don't get me wrong, everyone sees the laughing and how disrespectful it was. What I'm saying is when he was talking he was more commanding over Ryan, even though he was spewing falsehoods.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by WcBeasley View Post
    Document your evidence. Stateing he has simply doesn't make it so.
    His primary 2008 campaign vow and issue was that he would not sign a renewal of the Bush tax cuts. He gave no qualifiers. Instead, he endorsed renewing them. Now in 2012, that is his identical campaign issue and promise. He 100% lied in his first campaign of his primary issue, doing the opposite. Why should anyone believe him this time?

    He also promised over 100 times to close Gitmo. He didn't. Now in 2012 he vows the same.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by WcBeasley View Post
    http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/ This is the source used for this particular post but I can give others if needed
    Says President Obama has "doubled" the deficit.

    This actually is true. Go on the Treasury website and look at the debt spending for each year. In his first year he spent nearly 2 trillion dollars over budget.

    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010

    That shows the debts for each year. The deficit is the amount added to the debt each year. Get the differences in each year from 2005 to 2008 and Bush's second term average deficit is 675 billion dollars.

    This chart only shows up to 2010, but Obama has put an additional 5.6 trillion on to what he inherited from Bush. That averaged over 4 years is 1.4 trillion a year. That's more than double Bush's average.

    They're trying to split hairs and include the publicly held debt when the deficit regards how much federal spending the government does over budget; what's added to the national debt. Even if Obama did decrease the deficit, as they claim, he still didn't bring it to the level he promised.


    The thing about 20 million losing healthcare was not a lie, but the most negative extreme of the estimates the CBO made. But the purpose of Obamacare was to get more people insurance, not cause them to lose any. The CBO used 4 alternative estimates and only one of them predicted a gain, and only of 3 million people.
    "It’s also important to remember the big picture. CBO projects that, overall, the number of uninsured Americans will drop by 29 million to 31 million due to the law."

    "Romney’s figure is close to one from the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center, which found that 46 percent of tax filers pay no income tax". So he was off by 2 or 3 percent. That's not that huge a difference from the reality. Painting this as a lie doesn't change the fact that nearly 47 percent don't pay taxes. His figures are correct, but the support claim he made is not. This only says that Romney has more support from the 47 percent than he stated, but that doesn't mean that Obama doesn't hold the majority of that 47 percent.

    This website appears to be biased in favor of Obama. They are slicing hairs in their analyses and if you look at each of the candidate's profiles, Obama only has a lead by the volume of statements analyzed. Take an average of each truth level out to bring him down to Romney's level and you should see Romney's truth percentages exceed Obama's.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    If those people who were polled want to come here and offer their opinion, they are welcome too. Beyond that, polls have no relevance. The topic is who the members of this forum think won.
    Don't be ridiculous, of course scientific polls have relevance. They provide a snapshot of what people are thinking at a given point, within a margin of error ... and within the margin of error, two out of two polls indicate that more people thought Biden won the debate than those who thought Ryan won.

    What is irrelevant is your opinion of who won, which has a margin of error of 99.9.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Don't be ridiculous, of course scientific polls have relevance. They provide a snapshot of what people are thinking at a given point, within a margin of error ... and within the margin of error, two out of two polls indicate that more people thought Biden won the debate than those who thought Ryan won.

    What is irrelevant is your opinion of who won, which has a margin of error of 99.9.
    What makes a poll scientific in your opinion?

    A majority of the media is liberally bias, which would suggest that most of the polls we see on television would favor Biden. This is not the case. Most of the polls that have been referenced put Ryan ahead of Biden. Not only that, every news station has been criticizing Biden for his bad behavior. That certainly affects those polls, scientific or no.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What makes a poll scientific in your opinion?

    A majority of the media is liberally bias, which would suggest that most of the polls we see on television would favor Biden. This is not the case. Most of the polls that have been referenced put Ryan ahead of Biden. Not only that, every news station has been criticizing Biden for his bad behavior. That certainly affects those polls, scientific or no.
    Most polls referenced are not scientific. Three were. 2 favored Biden and one was a statistical tie.

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    Scientific polls have several major characteristics that distinguish them from nonscientific surveys. First and foremost, scientific polls use samples of respondents that mirror the larger population under study. In a large, diverse nation like the United States, interviewing all American adults in a survey is impractical and impossible owing to prohibitive costs, resource constraints, and time limits. Thus pollsters rely on adult samples, selected randomly, such that all individuals have an equal chance of being included in the sample. This random sampling process usually yields a sample that closely reflects the characteristics of the larger population—that is, the sample is representative of the larger population. Statistically samples are most likely to be representative when random sampling methods are used and sample size—that is, the number of completed surveys—approaches or exceeds one thousand, with larger sample sizes producing better results.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I saw just one child at the table, the one who, maybe two sentences into his opponent's statement, was "reacting"--shaking his head, smirking, rolling his eyes, and interrupting.

    Up to everybody to decide for him or herself whether this was merely "acting," but what I saw in Ryan was a man who remained civil and sat still--did you watch Ryan's hands?

    I saw somebody who just might be President of the United States one day and who certainly has the required gravitas for the Vice Presidency.
    Remaining civil and sitting still are not qualifications for president. The fact of the matter is that he allowed himself to be dominated by Biden's antics. He sat back and civilly accepted being dominated.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Who won the debate?

    Ryan.

    Biden was only there to put a tourniquet on the bleeding.

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