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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I agree with you here. Biden was strong however in his discussion, however untrue it was. Ignorant voters would see him winning.
    I dont think I would label it ignorance. I am no fan of Biden, but I thought in certain regards, he did quite well. He was well rehearsed, well informed, he knew his positions and the positions of his opponent, and he stated those positions clearly, and forcefully. Bidens problem was his demeanor. Mocking Ryan by smiling, laughing, interrupting and rolling his eyes while Ryan spoke was juvenile, distracting and rude. Had he done this on only a handfull of occasions it might have even worked to his advantage. But Biden did it over and over and over. He did it so often, in fact, that his poor behavior became the most significant story of the entire debate. Substance-wise, it was a good debate. Stylistically, Biden came off as childish and arrogant, while Ryan came across as competant and mature. That makes Ryan the winner.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post

    That makes Ryan the winner.
    Not according to scientific polling, which I've seen 2 indicate Biden won, 1 was a statistical tie, and none showed Ryan winning.

    Reuters/Ipsos (MoE 3.1):

    Biden:42%
    Ryan: 35%

    Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters



    CBS (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:50%
    Ryan: 31%

    Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News



    CNN (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:44%
    Ryan: 48%

    CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not according to scientific polling, which I've seen 2 indicate Biden won, 1 was a statistical tie, and none showed Ryan winning.

    Reuters/Ipsos (MoE 3.1):

    Biden:42%
    Ryan: 35%

    Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters



    CBS (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:50%
    Ryan: 31%

    Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News



    CNN (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:44%
    Ryan: 48%

    CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
    Employees at the venerable Gallup polling firm suggested they felt threatened by Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod when he questioned the methodology of a mid-April poll showing Mitt Romney leading the president – according to internal emails published Thursday.
    That poll showed Romney leading Obama 48-43 percent.

    The exchange, according to emails published by The Daily Caller, started when Axelrod sent a tweet saying the tracking poll was “saddled with some methodological problems” and directing followers to a National Journal story in which a professor suggested outdated sampling.
    According to the email chain titled “Axelrod vs. Gallup,” the White House in addition asked that a Gallup staffer “come over and explain our methodology,” which was apparently perceived as a subtle threat.

    A Gallup official said in an email he thought Axelrod’s pressure “sounds a little like a Godfather situation.”

    Read more: Emails suggest Axelrod leaned on Gallup after unfavorable poll | Fox News
    This contact with Gallup was very inappropriate. I wonder how many other subtle contacts have been made with other polling services. Things that make a person go hmmmmmmmmm....
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This contact with Gallup was very inappropriate. I wonder how many other subtle contacts have been made with other polling services. Things that make a person go hmmmmmmmmm....
    That doesn't indicate the polls I listed were any less veracious.

    [edit: also, what contact was there with Gallup? The article states that Axelrod "tweeted" a concern about their methodology. That's not contacting them.]
    Last edited by Sheik Yerbuti; 10-13-12 at 03:41 PM.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Nothing dumb about it. Iran doesn't have any enriched uranium OR spent plutonium nuclear fuel rods--the only two weapons-grade substances that can be used for a A-bomb.

    What's dumb is when right wingers try to play adult, as shown below. . .



    And where/how is Iran going to get the weapons-grade material to put in the bomb?

    Until then, stick w/the talking points conservatives do understand, like Obama's birth certificate, whether he's Muslim, and if he's gonna kill babies. And please don't play w/your Dad's gun. Thank you.
    Your message is a fail at trying to divert and at attempting to change what Biden said. Pounding his fist, he explained that even if Iran obtains sufficient atomic material it won't do them any good because they don't have a weapon to put it into. You can try to change what he said, but he furiously insisted the Iran could not use weapons grade atomic material because they don't have any weapon to put it.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    The BIGGEST LIAR of this campaign season now goes to Joe Biden.

    TWICE he chastized Ryan for voting for two wars that we couldn't afford, specifically stating that he (Biden) didn't vote for them. IN FACT, Joe Biden voted for authorization of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    This is not a subjective or trivial lie. Biden raged at Ryan for voting exactly as Biden did, Biden absolutely and deliberately lying saying that he did not.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not according to scientific polling, which I've seen 2 indicate Biden won, 1 was a statistical tie, and none showed Ryan winning.

    Reuters/Ipsos (MoE 3.1):

    Biden:42%
    Ryan: 35%

    Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters



    CBS (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:50%
    Ryan: 31%

    Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News



    CNN (MoE 5.0):

    Biden:44%
    Ryan: 48%

    CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
    I think Gore was initially listed as the 'winner' of the debate with BUsh, but history has painted a different outcome. Same thing will happen to Biden.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The BIGGEST LIAR of this campaign season now goes to Joe Biden.

    TWICE he chastized Ryan for voting for two wars that we couldn't afford, specifically stating that he (Biden) didn't vote for them. IN FACT, Joe Biden voted for authorization of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    This is not a subjective or trivial lie. Biden raged at Ryan for voting exactly as Biden did, Biden absolutely and deliberately lying saying that he did not.
    Biden didn't lie about that -- you just don't understand what he said. That doesn't make him a liar -- it only leaves you confused.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    I thought Obama got killed in his debate. I thought Biden pretty well dismantled Ryan.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I think Gore was initially listed as the 'winner' of the debate with BUsh, but history has painted a different outcome. Same thing will happen to Biden.
    How has 'history painted a different outcome'. Gore actually won the popular vote too, by about half a million votes. What are you talking about?
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