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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So you buy in to the 'makers and takers' rhetoric?
    You're a socialist. Makers and takers defines your ideology. I make, you take.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So you buy in to the 'makers and takers' rhetoric?
    those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    You're a socialist. Makers and takers defines your ideology. I make, you take.
    Baiting isn't exactly helpful to your case. Please find out what my political views are before making a post like that.

    Thanks

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts
    A lot of people don't seem to understand that the primary way to create jobs is for businesses to make enough money to expand and grow. Raising taxes, especially upon the rich, holds companies back. Tax cuts are meant to surge the consumers with extra money which in turn gets spent at businesses which can then grow and hire more people, leading to more money for those people. All of that also generates more income tax revenue for the government. It's not an instant thing but nor is it hard to understand.

    Raising taxes on the rich who live here won't help to the magnitude in which it needs to. They will either find new loopholes or simply leave the country and invest elsewhere. I know someone who did this for that very reason. Either way, that's revenue lost because of a tax increase.

    Oh, and by the way, the taxes that the rich don't pay wind up coming from the middle class.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Baiting isn't exactly helpful to your case. Please find out what my political views are before making a post like that.

    Thanks
    You're political views are posted right next to every single one of your posts. "Lean: Socialist".
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts
    Not what I'm asking. Do you believe that some substantial percentage of Americans are dependent on the government? That these people don't hold value to the country? That they're the 'takers' and, as the one of the 'makers' you don't have a responsibility towards them?

    I'm just curious.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    You're political views are posted right next to every single one of your posts. "Lean: Socialist".
    Socialism is a very broad term.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Socialism is a very broad term.
    But aren't social programs the underlying belief of socialists? Things like food stamps and wellfare programs? From who's pocket do you presume the funds for such programs become available?
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Not what I'm asking. Do you believe that some substantial percentage of Americans are dependent on the government? That these people don't hold value to the country? That they're the 'takers' and, as the one of the 'makers' you don't have a responsibility towards them?

    I'm just curious.
    Technically, every single American is dependent upon the government, otherwise we would have no military or civil structure. Should I have some responsibility to the poor? No. There is PLENTY of work out there. People are unwilling to do the work that's available. I have no problem helping the people who are helping themselves (in moderation) but until the government filters the circumstances by which people are eligible for social programs, I will not condone paying for people who take advantage of the system.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    But aren't social programs the underlying belief of socialists? Things like food stamps and wellfare programs? From who's pocket do you presume the funds for such programs become available?
    You're correct about the first part. But the most key aspect is an equal playing field, making so that people can find a job no matter what situation they're born in to. Removing the ability for corporations to cause as much harm as they do(while giving the individual worker control over their own livelihood) is also important.

    And furthermore, you wouldn't be against paying a small fraction of your to keep Americans fed, now would you? And surely you're not against something like the Civilian Conservation Corps, are you? No. Because, as Americans, we don't just abandon our fellow man. That's not who we are.

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