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Thread: Who won the VP Debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I kinda figured. I hate when people do that. 49-34 sounds more like what I was anticipating. I will say that Rep Ryan had the zinger of the night when he eluded to VP Biden's propensity for stupid comments. That was hilarious.
    i'd say Ryan's most effective jab was when he pointed out that Biden had a lot of pressure to make up for the initial debate performance.

    Biden also landed a blow when he revealed that Ryan wrote to him asking for stimulus money.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Oh, as far as my personal take on Obama and Romney goes, my previous bias that they both suck remains intact. The only one of the four for whom my opinion has changed at all was Biden, because I kind of like the crafty old coot now. I think he almost played up the idea that he is a doddering old moron in order to drag Ryan down.
    Gosh, then his crafty plan failed...as Ryan just sat there as the only grownup at the table as he was continually interrupted, even by the mod. I kept thinking, "Hmmmm, heartbeat away from the Presidency? Yes, I can definitely see this."

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Objectively Ryan won but given the fact that the Obama campaign was hemorrhaging credibility after the ass whipping Mitt laid on Obunny you might have a point. But Ryan certainly proved he has the gravitas to be VP given the current clown in the office was not superior to him and appeared to have been engaged in some butt chugging or some reefer prior to the debate
    See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.

    I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.

    I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
    I think most people saw it as two dems vs one Republican and it was a draw. that's pretty good

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Gosh, then his crafty plan failed...as Ryan just sat there as the only grownup at the table as he was continually interrupted, even by the mod. I kept thinking, "Hmmmm, heartbeat away from the Presidency? Yes, I can definitely see this."
    See, and I thought Ryan looked weak because of it. He didn't have a commanding presence in the debate at all. If he had taken control of things more, he could have smoked Biden. Instead he came across as though he was whining about the interruptions.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.

    I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
    I thoroughly disagree. What kind of sane individual pushing 70 regards "clownishness," much less going "overboard" with it, as an appropriate demeanor?

    A Republican said to me this morning that she was disappointed that Ryan didn't "take it" to Biden. That's not how I see it at all. I think Ryan realized--I certainly did--that he was going to be continually interrupted.

    Ryan was prepared and dignified. He looked Presidential to me.

    He didn't act the fool. Biden did with all his eye-rolling and smirking. I've never seen such a performance. Clownishness during a national debate?

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.

    I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
    What if Ryans plan was to let Biden hang himself? Which I would say he did. No one neutral could have watched that and had respect for Biden after his childish behavior. Thus Ryan wins simply by not appearing to have decidedly lost.

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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yep, Donna Brazille claimed Obama won as she did with Biden. That is sort of like saying Hiroshima stomped the Enola Gay
    Ryan was hardly a nuclear bomb.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I suppose I'm a bit more of a formalist in regard to the debates.

    I steer away from the "he sabotaged himself to hurt the other" arguments; I think such impugns the character of the one being apologized for and is, thus, self-defeating.
    I think the proof is in the pudding. Even while acting like a clown, Biden didn't get smoked. If anything, he helped his ticket.

    I really think that Ryan should have been able to smoke Biden. I just don't think there's any excuse for his failure to do so.
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    Re: Who won the VP Debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What if Ryans plan was to let Biden hang himself?
    then it was an exceptionally ****ty plan on Ryan's part because that just didn't happen. You even prove that it didn't happen by having to say "Ryan wins simply by not appearing to have decidedly lost."

    If Ryan really was letting Biden hang himself, then Ryan would have decidedly WON.

    No one neutral could have watched that and had respect for Biden after his childish behavior.
    From what I can tell, there was very little respect for Biden before the debate. On the respect meter, we're looking at little to no change, IMO.
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